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  • Dukes
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    If only I was a billionaire. I'd put every dime I had into that organization in order to turn them around. What the Monfort's are doing with this team really makes me sick to my stomach. Every year I pray they sell the team to someone who actually WANTS the team to improve, someone who's only interest is not lining their pockets.

    Anyways, I'm hoping Helton gets traded to a team that has the chance to win the Series. He's my favorite player, and i'd love to see him make an impact on a winning team.

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  • Drek
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    Yahoo! story on how deal died.

    After botching talks with the Red Sox, the Rockies will have a, well, rocky relationship with their franchise player. Discussions with Boston started quietly in December, but Colorado believed it could pressure the Red Sox into a trade by leaking the offer. Bad decision. Still, Helton to the Sox makes too much sense; this deal will be revisited.
    Talk about stupid. You're dealing with an ownership group that has dealt with very public negotiations basically every year since buying the team and didn't once cave to public pressure. They didn't cave on the ARod deal, they haven't caved in trading Manny, they stood firm with Boras' attempted PR war over Matsuzaka's deal, and even before these national level stories they stood firm in regionally high profile contract talks with Pedro, Nomar, etc..

    They don't cave, but leaks make them walk away no matter what. The Rockies might work in a vacuum, unconcerned with the responses of their division rivals, but the AL East is the sports version of the Cold War arms race.

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  • Billy Clyde Puckett
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    Sounds like the Red Sox deal is dead, but there could be other interest

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  • Orange_Beard
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    If the Rockies move Helton, I will not be able to name a single postion player.

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  • Hotrod
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    I quite supporting this ownership several years ago. As long as they own my Rockies I will boycott.

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  • OrangeShadow
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    Originally posted by DomCasual View Post
    Right. Because Garrett Atkins defense is what kept the Rockies from chasing the pennant last year.
    well i more mean, why would the sox trade him after havin youkilis excell at first ad now your going to ask him to move back to third.

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  • Clockwork Orange
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2747254

    DENVER -- Colorado Rockies owner Charlie Monfort insists the team isn't looking to dump salary in its talks to trade Todd Helton to the Boston Red Sox.

    Monfort said the Red Sox would have to part with pitching prospects in addition to third baseman Mike Lowell and reliever Julian Tavarez, players they've already offered in exchange for the 33-year-old slugger.

    "This is Todd Helton we're talking about," Monfort told The Associated Press on Monday. "We're not just going to give him up for nothing."

    The Rockies would like to obtain promising relievers Craig Hansen and Manny Delcarmen from Boston.

    "Tavarez and Lowell are good, and they'll help us this season, but we need to get something else pretty good in return," Monfort said. "So, we'll see."

    Colorado would pay a good chunk of the $90.1 million left on Helton's contract, Monfort said, a deal that includes salaries of $16.6 million in each of the next four seasons, $19.1 million in 2011 and a $4.6 million buyout of a $23 million team option for 2012. The amount the Rockies would pay isn't a sticking point in talks, Monfort said. Rather, it's the players Colorado covets in return for the Rockies' most recognizable player.

    Helton has a no-trade clause but is willing to waive it to play in Boston.

    Negotiations with Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein were expected to resume later Monday when general manager Dan O'Dowd returned to Denver after attending to a family matter over the weekend.

    "I don't see it dragging on. If Dan and Theo can work out the bodies in the next couple of days, it will happen," said Monfort, who would need to sign off on the trade.

    Monfort said he expected the deal to get done early in the week or not at all.

    "I've been in this business for 15 years and 1 percent of these deals get done. We want to do right by Todd," Monfort said. "We're planning on winning the division and we'd rather do it with Todd."

    Although the savings would allow the Rockies to address other areas, Monfort said he's not solely seeking financial flexibility in dangling Helton.

    "We're not just looking to save money," he said. "I'd consider it a salary dump if we didn't have anybody there who could play first base, and we do. I'm not saying they're Todd Helton by any means. And they'd have some huge shoes to fill. But we have some guys there, a little bit of a logjam."

    If Lowell comes over from Boston, third baseman Garrett Atkins could move to first, although an intriguing possibility is accelerating the arrival of 25-year-old Joe Koshansky, who hit .284 with 31 homers and 109 RBIs at Double-A Tulsa last season.

    Monfort said he realizes fans don't want to see Helton and the Rockies part ways, and he doesn't relish that prospect, either.

    "It would be so tough to see Todd go. We drafted him. He's a great guy, he has a ranch 15 minutes from my house," Monfort said. "This one is tough. We had Vinny Castilla and Andres Galarraga, but they weren't with us as long as Todd. And Todd's a friend of mine.

    "We're not doing cartwheels over here at Coors Field over this, believe me."

    Lowell will earn $9 million next season, the final year of his contract. Tavarez is guaranteed $3.1 million next season with a $3.85 million option for 2008 that is guaranteed if he makes 65 appearances.

    After averaging 35 homers and 117 RBIs over the previous seven seasons, Helton's numbers dipped in 2005, when he hit .320 with 20 homers and 79 RBIs while he was playing with a bad back. He also made his first career trip to the disabled list with a strained calf.

    An intestinal infection sent him to the DL again last May and he never regained his strength, weight or power stroke upon his return, finishing with just 15 homers, a .302 batting average and 81 RBIs.

    Helton said recently he had finally gotten back to 210 pounds and that his strength and stamina had returned. The Red Sox were encouraged by his clean bill of health.

    While Monfort said tying up 30 percent of the team's projected $55 million payroll this season isn't a good business model, he wouldn't mind seeing a healthy Helton batting cleanup for Colorado in 2007, either.

    "We'd love to have Todd here and get to a World Series with Todd in a Rockies uniform and we believe we can get there," Monfort said. "It's not like a couple of years ago when we were just plugging holes. We feel we can win this division and that makes this a little more difficult.

    "It seems like the days of someone playing their entire career for one team has gone by the wayside. I saw him retiring as a Rockie. It would be a great story. Some deals get made and some don't. No one is going to be with one team their whole career and not be mentioned in a trade once or twice."

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  • DomCasual
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    Originally posted by OrangeShadow View Post
    please GOD do not make this trade theo. Especially if it includes hansen and delcarmen. or even tavarez for that matter. He provided stellar pitching in a starting role late last year. I dont want to overpriced overhyped OFs.

    Oh and lowell is the best defensive thirdbasemen in the league so i dont know what you're questioning dom.


    I just know i DONT want this to go down
    Right. Because Garrett Atkins defense is what kept the Rockies from chasing the pennant last year.

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  • Billy Clyde Puckett
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    Originally posted by DomCasual View Post
    I hate these guys. They are a curse to MLB, and the fans of the Rockies. It is shameful that they are willing to make thousands of fans suffer so that they can keep their cute little hobby in the family.
    I'm with you. These guys made a mockery of the family business and they are doing the same with the Rockies. There are several groups around town that could buy them, make them competative and still make money. Get a couple of money guys and cut Elway in to be President the public face of the club would be my thought.

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  • OrangeShadow
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    please GOD do not make this trade theo. Especially if it includes hansen and delcarmen. or even tavarez for that matter. He provided stellar pitching in a starting role late last year. I dont want to overpriced overhyped OFs.

    Oh and lowell is the best defensive thirdbasemen in the league so i dont know what you're questioning dom.

    I just know i DONT want this to go down

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  • DomCasual
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    I'm not sure it's a bad baseball decision to move Helton. They move Atkins to first, and open up a spot for Ian Stewart to play in the big leagues. That sounds great. The problems I have are:

    1) Why do it if you're going to eat half of his salary? The question then becomes, can you get someone as valuable as Helton for half of what he's paid? The answer to that is no. Helton is overpaid, based on his production. But I don't think he's overpaid double, based on the current MLB economy.

    2) Mike Lowell? Julian Tavarez? Am I missing something? They have just under $25 million left on their contracts. Throw in eating half of Helton's contract ($91 million), and you end up trading $91 million in contracts for $70 million in contracts. In the process, you are getting rid of the face of your franchise - the only guy your fans have been able to connect with over years of mediocrity. There has to be much more to the story. Rockies ownership/management is stupid, but they couldn't be that stupid. Could they?

    3 The bottom line for me is motive. I know what their motive is in doing the deal. It's the same motive they had in doing the Jennings deal. Sure, there are baseball arguments that can be made for doing both deals. But that's not what it comes down to for these clowns. They will argue that they're sound baseball moves, but that is just the end justifying the means. If they could seriously say, "Look, we're doing this deal because we feel we have to resign Holliday, Atkins, and maybe Hawpe. They are our young nucleus, and they are going to need to be paid fairly to stay here. Losing Helton is painful, but it will allow us to keep our younger nucleus in Denver," then I could stomach it. But that's not the plan. They know it. The players know it. We know it. Those guys will be gone as soon as they are able to become free agents, unless they are willing to take a deep "hometown discount." And why would they do that to stay with this organization? With this ownership?

    I hate these guys. They are a curse to MLB, and the fans of the Rockies. It is shameful that they are willing to make thousands of fans suffer so that they can keep their cute little hobby in the family.

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  • Clockwork Orange
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    Originally posted by Rascal View Post
    If the Mon****s could get away with a team salary of 20 million they would do it.

    Why people support their raping by attending games is beyond me.
    Exactly. That's why I haven't been to a game in many years.

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  • Rascal
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    If the Mon****s could get away with a team salary of 20 million they would do it.

    Why people support their raping by attending games is beyond me.

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  • Clockwork Orange
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    Originally posted by Bronco LB 52 View Post
    What's the point of trading Helton if you're still eating over half of his contract? Let's pay Helton $45+ million to play for someone else so we can save the other half. I thought this board was harsh on the Monforts, but this story just proves they are cheap ass slimeballs that have no business being involved in ownership.

    Unless Manny comes back to Denver in this, it's a rotten deal for the Rockies.
    This comes as no real surprise. The Monforts simply don't want to pay anyone. They flipped Jennings for prospects for that reason. Matt Holliday will be gone before too long for that reason. Possibly Garrett Atkins, too. Moving Helton has nothing to do with anything other than not wanting to pay him the money owed to him. Honestly, does anyone believe that the Monforts are going to take any of that money saved and use it to improve the team?

    On a personal note, I'd like to see Helton go to Boston. At least there he'd have a chance to be in a pennant race and play in the postseason. He's spinning his wheels here in Colorado and I'd love to see him get a shot a ring before his career is over.

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  • Bronco LB 59
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    What's the point of trading Helton if you're still eating over half of his contract? Let's pay Helton $45+ million to play for someone else so we can save the other half. I thought this board was harsh on the Monforts, but this story just proves they are cheap ass slimeballs that have no business being involved in ownership.

    Unless Manny comes back to Denver in this, it's a rotten deal for the Rockies.

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