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  • Originally posted by ColoradoBuff View Post
    Montgomery plays faster than his 40 time. I’ve seen a lot of comparisons to Kareem Hunt but I compare him to James Conner. James Conner ran a 4.65 40 at the scouting combine. Neither are 4.3-4.4 guys and we saw what Conner can do.
    Connor was 235lbs though, that's a significantly bigger RB. He was an absolute tank, had him as a 2nd rounder, I remember CBs knocking themselves out on his legs during tackles. That's not a bad comparison, probably better than Howard. Not sure it's apples to apples though. Definitely not Kareem Hunt, Hunt was electric with his cuts, he was a slasher and elusive.

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    • I foolishly hoped Montgomery would last to my pick in this round, and wanted to take him with all three picks in the second. He's a total stud.

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      • It’s after midnight here. Was hoping BPC would make his selection before I shut down for the night. I’ll check in with you fine folks later this morning.

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        • Question for the mock draft mods.
          WR Desean Jackson was traded for PHIL's 2019 6th rounder, pick 208.
          I get that pick, correct? The trade occurred long before this mock draft started.

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          • Originally posted by socalorado View Post
            Question for the mock draft mods.
            WR Desean Jackson was traded for PHIL's 2019 6th rounder, pick 208.
            I get that pick, correct? The trade occurred long before this mock draft started.
            You are correct sir -- that trade was announced on March 11th, so should have been included in our final draft order. I've switched #208 over to Tampa Bay on the selection thread....

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            • Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post

              You are correct sir -- that trade was announced on March 11th, so should have been included in our final draft order. I've switched #208 over to Tampa Bay on the selection thread....
              Thanks!!

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              • Pick is in!

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                • With the 77th overall selection in the 2019 Orange Mane NFL Mock Draft,

                  the CAROLINA PANTHERS select;

                  DE L.J. COLLIER, TCU


                  L.J. Collier is the #156 overall prospect on my Top 300 Big Board



                  DE LJ COLLIER TCU

                  Ohio State (2018): Playing DE. Starting at RDE In a 43 defense. LT was downblocking, they asked the TE to reach block Collier, that didn’t work, shot the inside gap and helped stuff the RB. Has a little bit of wiggle to him, giving the LT some trouble with his subtle fakes on which pass rushing route he’s going to take. Continues to be able to slice inside the LT at will almost, especially in the run game. Only criticism would be that he doesn’t finish the tackle, mostly just gums up the play. Still good, just not as good as it could be. Dropped him as the QB spy on 3rd down. Shows decent quickness and pass rush moves, has a strong spin move. Buried and pancaked by the pulling RG on an off tackle run that went for a chunk gain. LT kicked out on LB, Collier gave the LG an inside out move and just blew right around him for a QB hit. Definitely has high end pass rush quickness. Walled off by LT on off tackle run. Easily stopped on bull rush. Has the ability to bend around the arc, can slam his foot in the ground and alter his approach to a really sharp angle. Man coverage on RB in the flat. Has generally beaten the LT like a rented mule throughout this game, but the ultra quick passing attack is keeping him from getting to the QB in time. Shows good speed and change of direction ability in the open field. This is a really good athlete for a big DE type. Beat the LT by redirecting inside for a QB hit, should have had a sack, for whatever reason did not try and wrap up the QB. Crashed down on read option inside, QB kept it and walked in for an easy 5 yard TD. He has to hold contain way better than that, literally couldn’t have played the option any worse. Does a decent job on disengaging from blockers, active hands. Best move so far is setting the OT up on the arc rush and then quickly cutting underneath, that worked almost all game against the LT here. Seems to be much better as a pass rusher than in the run game. He’s not awful against the run, but was more of a pest than anything else. Getting Elvis Dumervil style vibes early on.

                  Texas (2018): Playing DE. Starting at RDE in a 43 defense. Bull rush against LT that went absolutely nowhere. Came through unblocked on a stunt inside, speed and athleticism look good. Plays with good leverage, low to the ground, big bubble butt guy, so seems to be pretty stout. Pretty good at getting off blocks and redirecting to the ball carrier in the run game. Stack and shed on TE to help stuff run. Coverage sack, bull rush on LT that he redirected and cut inside to eventually chase down the QB. Good speed in the open field, can chase down RBs, runs well, long strides. I suspect he’d be fine playing OLB in a 34, has that level of athleticism. Bull rush on LT for a QB hit, just ran him over, only a quick pass saved that from a sack. Shows good ability to stop start, first step is very good. Another sack on QB on hustle play, missed him the first time after slicing inside the RT, QB was able to juke him to the ground, Collier got back up and chased him down still behind the line of scrimmage. Has the athleticism to play contain, read pass, and then still have the burst to get to the QB. Didn’t block him on the backside, stuffed inside run. A lot of quality run defense in this game. Beat the RT on arc rush, bent right around the edge for a QB hit. He’s one of the better big body pass rushing DEs in this draft. On the pass rush, he’s a handle even for double teams to keep blocked. Very active with spins and changing direction. Thought this was much more well-rounded than the OSU tape, was not overpowered nearly as much, he pretty much dominated the Texas OL. Made plenty of splash plays against both the run and pass. Still stands out more for his pass rushing speed and agility. Appears to show enough athleticism that he could play OLB in a 34 defense. Combine testing can confirm that thought.

                  Oklahoma (2018): Playing DE. Starting at RDE in a 43 defense. Dropped him in zone coverage in the flat. Twist inside the LG, got some penetration but the QB had rolled out the other way. Playing 5 tech in 34 look, got pushed down inside and the QB was able to scramble around the edge for a first down, probably more on the OLB, but he can get overpowered by the bigger O-linemen. Walled off by LT and RB on off tackle run. Crashed down, lost contain again on read option. Beat RT inside on outside in move, just great quickness, but missed the wrap up sack on the QB. He has had some issues with wrapping up on his tackles. Needs to drill down on the fundamentals. Getting a heavy share of double teams on both running and passing downs, struggling to get away from them even with his spin move. Smoked the LT around the arc for a QB hit, was a half second away from causing a fumble or at worst getting a sack. Crashed down on read option, this time the RB had the ball, but man, the QB had a lane for a long run if he had kept it instead. Continues to largely get washed out in the running game by double teams. Not showing any ability against these guys to hunker down and fight against it. Dropped him in man coverage on RB, decent job sticking with him on shallow drag route. Continues to crash down on RB on read option, you know they are setting him up for a big play. QB kept the ball on read option and Collier was able to cut back outside and string him out. Surprised he had that level of athleticism to stop and pivot so quickly. Has largely been picked up and stymied by the interior OL on most of his stunt attempts. Sealed inside by LT on off tackle run. Even when not doubled, he’s been largely handled in the run game. Flashed some of his pass rush potential, but the combination of double teams and an elusive QB really dampened any impact he was hoping to make.


                  TLDR:
                  Overall, I think the Elvis Dumervil comparison is pretty good. He’s a very athletic and quick thick bodied DE that doesn’t have the length teams look for at the position. He’s average in the run game, but can be overpowered and moved off the ball. Probably a pass rush specialist or RDE in a 43 defense, thought he showed enough athleticism and change of direction ability that he could play OLB in a 34 defense, and if so, that would be his best fit. Combine testing going to be big for him as well as arm length. Regardless, the tape shows he does not play as slow as you might expect from a 280lb DE, but he also doesn’t play as stout as you’d expect at that size either.



                  Note/Explanation: Really bombed his Combine measurements. Tape grade was Round 3/4 fringe, but weighed in a bit heavier than I expected, ran a bit slower than I expected, but then had some of the worst agility marks for a DE possible. On tape I saw a guy that depended on his agility and speed to be effective, while struggling with blockers and the power aspect of the position. His weight and testing almost suggests he moves inside or plays a 34 end type position, and that is not what I thought he excelled at on tape. I thought he might drop some weight, blow the Combine up, and be a riser. Whoops. Banogu kind of went that route instead. Anyway, interesting guy bpc, tape was pretty good.

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                  • With the 78th overall selection in the 2019 Orange Mane NFL Mock Draft,

                    the MIAMI DOLPHINS select;

                    WR TERRY MCLAURIN, OHIO STATE


                    Terry McLaurin is the #46 overall prospect on my Top 300 Big Board




                    WR TERRY MCLAURIN OHIO STATE

                    Michigan State (2018): Playing outside WR and some slot. Solid effort and somewhat effective blocking the LB on WR screen play. Man, QB is not even looking at him at all, McLaurin is getting some separation with his breaks, but Haskins is in full on primary read only mode and zoomed in on Campbell. LWR, zone coverage, dig route, just sitting there wide open with nobody in sight, QB throws incomplete to other side of field. RWR, press man, no jam, good release inside on CB Layne on Go route, QB overthrew him, but hey, it’s now in the second quarter and McLaurin finally got a target. I mean, he gets it on the one play he’s actually covered but that’s Haskins for you, he decides where he is throwing it in the huddle. LWR, off man, nice job slamming his outside foot in the ground and making a sharp break on the inside slant, 10 yard gain. LWR, press man, corner fade route, CB had great inside position and Haskins threw a very low trajectory ball, CB easily swatted it away and should have picked it off. As an aside, I really hope Denver doesn’t draft Haskins, he’s not a good QB at this point. McLaurin has done a decent job fighting through the jam at the line, he doesn’t really use his hands to chop, which needs to be fixed, but he has the ability to just run through it, that might be more of an indictment on Layne’s strength though. LWR, zone coverage, short curl route, Haskins ran around a bit before throwing him a high and hard one from a few yards away, McLaurin showed impressive reaction and hands jumping to snag that ball for a 5 yard gain, took a big hit in the ribs for the effort as well. Haskins couldn’t have made that dump off any more difficult if he tried. RWR, off man, dig route, 20 yard gain. Really impressive on that play, first his breaks are awesome, sharp and sudden; second, he’s a tough guy to tackle, broke through the initial wave and then kept driving his legs and refusing to go down when he was gang tackled. QB wanted to go to McLaurin on a vertical route but that time he did struggle to get separation from the jam and Haskins had to go elsewhere. It’s pretty telling if Haskins has decided he wants to throw to you and then does not because of the coverage, Layne dominated him on that rep. Generally continues to be a plus blocker for the position. LWR, press man, inside swim to beat the jam, intermediate dig route, and then Haskins threw a bad ball for an incompletion. That was a great job by McLaurin, sucks he couldn’t get the reception to complete the rep. Slot, zone coverage, corner route, QB threw a floater, McLaurin with a nice job using his body to shield DB underneath and making over the shoulder catch on pass. I’m really impressed with McLaurin, he can play, not used enough in this offense and his QB sucks. Slot, off man, inside slant, had the CB beat, Haskins throws the ball behind him and should have been picked off, CB knocks it away. Slot, press man, physical stop route at the first down line on 3rd and 6, probably got away with a push off, caught the ball a yard short and made an insanely good effort play to battle and reach the ball across the line to get the first down. He knew exactly where he needed to get to. Extremely impressive tape. Less impressive of a QB.

                    Maryland (2018): Playing outside WR, some slot. Getting open early, QB not looking his way. Same old, same old. LWR, press man, stop route for 5 yards. Solid job being physical at the top of that route and spinning off the CB to get a smidgen of separation for his QB. Not sure why Haskins decided to throw him the ball on that play though, that’s as covered as he’s been. RWR, press bail, gave the CB a very subtle outside move while on a Go route, CB randomly cut off his coverage thinking he was going to cut to the sideline, McLaurin did not, even with a badly underthrown deep ball McLaurin had to wait on and field like a punt, he was able to out race the DBs to the end zone for the 70 yard TD. That was mostly just a blown coverage play, but you could see the raw speed McLaurin possesses, which is pretty darn good. Press man, Go route up sideline, 50/50 ball underthrown into double coverage, McLaurin somehow hangs in the air and making a diving catch on the ball between the DBs. That was despite a facemask and PI in the middle of going up for the ball. I’m extremely impressed with McLaurin, one of the best WRs I’ve done so far. RWR, press man, powered through the jam on corner fade route, had a step, Haskins throws a low trajectory ball and over threw it as well, McLaurin tried to make a one hand stab and tip it back to himself, no luck. Haskins sucks. This is a top 5 QB? Are you freaking kidding me? I didn’t do Michigan State or Maryland when doing Haskins’ tape, and I already thought he wasn’t a 1st round prospect, now I’m really cemented in that belief. RWR, off man, drag route near goal line, Haskins with low and behind ball placement forcing McLaurin to slow down and adjust to make the catch, got plastered by the DB for his efforts and stopped short of the end zone. An accurate pass on that five yard route would have been a walk in TD. But Haskins is Haskins. Good tape, had to deal with his QB throwing inaccurate soft balls most of the game, except the time he needed to loft a soft throw on the corner fade, on that particular one he throws a rocket. Love McLaurin. Good hands, good routes, can make acrobatic and contested catches, solid blocking, and has good speed. Complete WR, criminally underutilized.

                    Washington (2018): Playing outside WR. Washington playing zone with extra DBs early in this game, Haskins looks completely confused on what he should do, lots of scrambling. McLaurin is open on crossing route, but Washington has so many guys dropping that there is nowhere to just settle down in the middle of the field. There are open passing lanes and windows of opportunity if the QB would decide to start rifling balls in. RWR, zone, inside slant into a deep corner route for 30 yards, nice hands catch on the sideline and able to get both feet in bounds, so NFL play. Nice blocking on WR screen. LWR, press man, Go route, 50/50 ball that was underthrown, McLaurin did a nice job turning into the DB and breaking up the easy INT the CB thought he had coming. In Haskins’ defense, he was under big pressure inside from the DT and had to just sling it off his back foot, would have been better to just eat the sack, but it worked out. QB has decided that he’s going to beat the zone defense by throwing one million short passes to Campbell and the RBs. McLaurin getting lots of blocking practice. RWR, press man, struggling to get off CB Murphy’s jams at times, but the press coverage has been few and far between. LWR, press bail, inside slant, wide open against the zone coverage with room to run and QB throws too high, McLaurin jumps to try and snag it and just pops it up in the air for the safety to dive and pick off. Ball was literally two inches too high, and went off the fingertips on the replay, but there was no reason to not drill that right into the WR’s chest. Haskins had a clean pocket, and the ILB was late coming over. McLaurin keeps telling Haskins to throw it to him after every play, starting to get annoyed. Haskins responds by not throwing his way the rest of the game. One catch this game, a few targets, mostly bad QB accuracy and the zone defense leading to a dink and dunk attack the reason why.


                    TLDR:
                    Overall, I loved McLaurin as a WR prospect. Complete WR, does everything well. Good hands, good routes, can make acrobatic and contested catches, solid blocking, and has good speed. Complete WR, criminally underutilized. Only criticism would be that he needs to get more active with his hands when CBs are jamming him, he tends to just try and power through the jam, that won’t always work. Murphy got him a few times in the Washington game where he was really slow getting off the line. Didn’t matter because the QB wasn’t going to throw him the ball anyway, but something to work on.

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                    • With the 79th overall selection in the 2019 Orange Mane NFL Mock Draft,

                      the ATLANTA FALCONS select;

                      DT DRE'MONT JONES, OHIO STATE


                      Dre'Mont Jones is the #104 overall prospect on my Top 300 Big Board


                      DT DRE’MONT JONES OHIO STATE

                      TCU (2018): Playing RDT in a 43 defense, usually NT in 34 looks, some 5 Tech DE. Decent first step off the line when pass rushing. Held up against the LT and LG double team, but unable to fall off and tackle the RB on a 10 yard offtackle TD run. Solid two handed rip move on LG to disengage and sling himself forward. Shows good foresight and ability to redirect off his rush and run angles down the field to cut off the RB when the play is not in his vicinity. He limits some big plays this way and shows good hustle. Able to avoid cut block, jumped up and almost picked off the ball, ended up knocking it down. Inside swim on RG for a pressure. Fought through down block by RT to flow laterally and stuff RB on off tackle run. Two handed rip move on the LG to yank him down and then stuffed the RB right behind him. Nice play. Decent inside spin move, it’s in the bag of tricks. Sealed outside by LG on inside TD run. Stunted outside, shows the athleticism to run the arc and bend back towards the QB. Inside swim to beat the LG for a pressure. Outside swim to beat the RG for a pressure. He likes that swim move. RT and RG double team easily moved him out of the lane. Beat the reach block by the OC to shoot inside and stuff the RB. Solid job with his hands, with each hand he grabbed the OCs forearms and just kind of ran by him since he could use his arms to block. RG and RT double team able to move him back a little bit, showed some good stoutness fighting against that and gumming up the running lane. Alright, so the OC downblocked on the DE, Jones was playing NT in a 34 alignment, the RG was supposed to down block him, Jones is too quick for that and shot through the line before the RG good get on top of him. The play call was a pitch option with the RB underneath inside of the QB. The QB reading the safety coming off the edge pitches the ball inside to the RB, this was about the same time that Jones was beating the RG and shooting the gap. Jones shoot through the gap right in front of the RB and here’s the ball coming at him in the air on the pitch, so he catches it and runs it back for a TD. It was awesome. Especially the timing of how everything had to work for that play to happen just like that. Two hand rip, threw the RG to the ground, stuffed the RB. His two hand rip move is elite, shows some serious strength in his hands and upper body. Inside spin on the LG for a pressure. Spin move is not elite, it’s elongated and slow, can use some work. Lined up at 5 Tech in 34 look, looped out at the LT and cut back inside, gave the LT a left handed bear swat and sacked the QB. They use him mostly as a run stuffer, but he seems like he can be more well-rounded than that.

                      Penn State (2018): Playing RDT in 43 defense LE 5 Tech in 34 looks. Outside swim on LG for a pressure. Doesn’t really try and work through double teams when pass rushing, just kind of gave up and stared at them. RG and OC double team moved him well out of the running lane. They are playing him different than the TCU game; in this game he’s being asked to run around blocks and try and shoot gaps exclusively, not being asked to focus on the run at all. Even when they go to 34 alignments, he’s been moved from NT to DE. This is good tape evaluation since we can see him in essentially a 3 technique role and compare that to his tape as a Nose Tackle. This might be because of the injury to Bosa, they are trying to find some pass rushing help. Beat the RG by shooting the inside gap and stuffed the RB for a loss. Showing good quickness off the snap, nothing elite, but good. His best move is his two handed rip, it’s really violent and yanks the OL down to the ground. Outside swim on RT to get penetration and tackle the RB for a loss on read option play. His spin moves need work, just too slow, telegraphs them. Bull rush on the RG for a pressure, kind of just powered through the outside gap, that kept the QB from scrambling out of the pocket and he was sacked from the backside. Same exact thing on the next drive, just powered through the outside shoulder of the RG for a pressure. Bull rush on RG to help stuff run. Followed that up with his two handed rip on the RG, threw him to the ground and stuffed the RB for a loss. Announcers talking about how the PSU RB hadn’t been tackled for a loss all season until this game. Jones got him twice in a row. Jab step move on the LG to fake him outside then shot around him inside for a QB hit. Outside spin on the LG for a QB hit, should have had the sack but McSorley was able to step out of the tackle. Beat the RT with a jab step outside and then cut inside for a pressure. I kind of like him at 5 tech. He shows the ability to flatten out when he tries to rush around the arc. Nice job jolting the LT and pushing him back at the goal line. Alright, so, I don’t like him as a 3 technique. He’s not a bad athlete at all, he just isn’t quick twitch enough to really shine trying to shoot gaps all game. I think he has a nice mixture of strength and quickness which suits him much better when he lines up at DE in 34 fronts and plays the 5 technique, it gives him the freedom to rush out or inside, both things he has the athleticism to do. I also liked his tape against TCU where he was playing NT in a 43 one gap defense. He’s just not a penetrating 3 technique to me. It’s a square peg in a round hole and while the results are serviceable, he can be so much more when he’s not asked to just try and penetrate.

                      Washington (2018): Playing LDT in 43 defense. Outside spin on LG for a pressure. Looks like he’s been working on that move, that was quicker and more sharp than earlier in the season. Strong punch on LG, jolted him and sent him backwards which clogged up the RB on an off tackle run. Jones is a good athlete, looks good running in the open field, was chasing down a WR screen on the other side of the field. Doesn’t look like a DT running, more like a TE almost. RG able to get some push and wall him off inside on off tackle run. Pulled the LG, tried to reach block him at 5 tech with the OC, that wasn’t going to remotely work, massive pressure on the QB, but he was able to scramble away from the sack. Power rush on the outside shoulder of the RG, able to get right in the QB’s face and disrupt the passing lane. Tried to reach block him with the OC again, shot the gap with a swim move, stuffed the RB. He’s too quick off the ball to reach block, at least with this OC. Walled off by RG on inside run. He’s been overpowered a few times in this game by the OGs, struggling to get off the blocks. Split the RT and RG double team to tackle RB for minimal gain, that was a nice effort play to fight through that double team. The RG is working him over pretty well in the running game. Jaxson Kirkland, a 315lb Freshman. This is about as well as I’ve seen any OG fare against him. Outside swim move on the LG to force the RB back inside and into a teammate’s tackle. Has good foot quickness, whether it’s his jab step or he’s doing a jump cut type move, he can shift around and redirect extremely well for a DT. Bear swat and outside arc rush on the LG for a QB hit. Stack and shed on LG to tackle RB for short gain. Beat the RT McNary around the edge, jab step inside, bear swat with left arm, able to flatten and turn the edge for a QB pressure. That’s why I think he fits best as a 5 tech, he has legit ability to rush around the edge. You don’t want him doing it every time, but you combine that with his gap shooting ability and his power game, that’s a lot for an OT or OG to worry about. Just missed out on an effort sack late in this game where the QB was just able to heave the ball away as he was going down.


                      TLDR:
                      Jones gets an iron man award, he pretty plays every single snap of the game. You don’t see him taking plays off and leaning on blockers either. I like him. He can play anywhere on any defensive front. For me, he’s a mostly a 5 tech DE in a 34 front, or 43 NT (not at Combine weight), both in one gap schemes. Definitely a three down player. I don’t like him as a 3 technique. He’s not a bad athlete at all, he just isn’t quick twitch enough to really shine trying to shoot gaps all game. I think he has a nice mixture of strength and quickness which suits him much better when he lines up at DE in 34 fronts and plays the 5 technique, it gives him the freedom to rush outside or inside, both things he has the athleticism to do.

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                      • Man I'm so behind this year...I'm actually curious to see if I get a better score making it up as I go vs spending months preparing. I think it's going to be the former.

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                        • Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

                          Connor was 235lbs though, that's a significantly bigger RB. He was an absolute tank, had him as a 2nd rounder, I remember CBs knocking themselves out on his legs during tackles. That's not a bad comparison, probably better than Howard. Not sure it's apples to apples though. Definitely not Kareem Hunt, Hunt was electric with his cuts, he was a slasher and elusive.
                          Idk MUG...I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. I think Montgomery is closer to Conner/Hunt than you think. Time will tell.

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                          • See I like Mclaurin on potential but Ridlet is the sure fire stud in the nfl so i couldnt pass on him.

                            McLaurin has potential great WR traits though for sure

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                            • There's too many Canes fans in this draft. You all know how much of baller #4 is. No way is was going to wait for him to drop to 92, wasn't going to happen. Him and Ed Oliver are straight nasty defenders. I am pumped!

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                              • I havent done anything on Johnson, but he looks like a fun player

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