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  • He posted awhile ago, said he was slammed at work, would pick once he could but it would be several hours.

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    • I offered him a trade. If he responds I'm ready to pick

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      • It's been 84 years....

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        • Sigh....

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          • Shananahan is online again....see if something happens.

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            • Well I have been ready to draft for hours. so if he picks soon I will pick. If not, then see you all in the morning.

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              • He could be doing an all-time great write up. You can't rush greatness.

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                • MUG is openly trolling now

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                  • Man, I wanted McGary so bad. Great story and fit a real need. Almost took him at the top of the round but it felt too early. I really wish I'd have taken eddie mac's offer to trade up now. I'm pretty bummed.

                    Apologies for the delay. Hospitality is the dumbest industry.

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                    • Very good pick, Shananahan!

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                      • Damn and Med went to bed

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                        • With the 61st overall selection in the 2019 Orange Mane NFL Mock Draft,

                          the NEW YORK GIANTS select;

                          DE CHARLES OMENIHU, TEXAS


                          Charles Omenihu is the #118 overall prospect on my Top 300 Big Board


                          DE CHARLES OMENIHU TEXAS

                          Oklahoma G1 (2018): Playing DE. Starting off the game at LE in a 34 defensive look, but plays DE on both sides in both 34 and 43 looks, also gets kicked inside to DT at times. In both formations, he’s usually head up on the OT. Stuffed RB from backside pursuit, didn’t block him. Generally showing good stoutness at the line, plays with strong violent hands to disengage and hold his ground, definitely being asked to read and then react, not trying to immediately get up the field. Flashes a good rip move when trying to get off blocks. Tried to reach block him with the LG, able to just go around him outside for a sack. Stack, shed on LT Evans, then just exploded forward and stuffed the QB on a designed run for a loss. Has a swipe move he uses on his arc rush to both knock down the control arm of the OT and help propel him forward, fairly effective move. Bull rush on the LG that was handled easily. 3rd and long, put him out a little extra wide, speed rush off the edge, did his swipe move again, beat the LT clean around the arc to force the QB into a sack. Pulled the RT all the way to the left to kick out on Omenihu, he avoided the block by running a little farther up field on his rush, the bad side to that was it left a gaping hole to the edge that the QB hit for a 70 yard scramble TD. Unable to get out quick enough and make a play on the RB screen, was close, but missed the tackle. Walled off from the RB by the LT, looked like he guessed inside and took himself out of the play. He tends to stack the OT and play two gap in the running game. Probably only played a little more than half the snaps in this game, Texas has a heavy DL rotation. He looks to be more of a power end, run stuffing DE with some pass rush ability around the edge.

                          Oklahoma G2 (2018): Playing DE, 5T. Back again against the best OL in college football. Struggling with the TE and LT double team, gets moved off the line fairly easily. Really struggling to just get off the block from the LT Evans in general. Rough tape through the first half, went for it on 4th and 1, doubled Omenihu and blew him off the line, ran right behind it for an easy conversion. Sealed inside by the TE on off tackle run. Doesn’t have great chase speed in the open field or behind the line, lumbers a little bit. Inside seal by LT on short TD run. Omenihu has to start making plays and getting off blocks, he has been absolutely invisible this game. A little bit of a coverage sack, but he did a nice job just running around the LT on an arc rush for a sack. Consistently swipes down the OT hands when he’s ready to flatten at the top of his arc. Stack, shed on LT to help stuff inside run. Stack and shed on LT to limit run. He does fairly well in run defense as long as he’s not double teamed, once he gets doubled, he’s erased. Stack and shed on LT again to stuff run for no gain. Nice job defeating the block by the RB to pin the designed QB run inside, was a nice contain play. Oklahoma was hoping he would try to avoid the block and run up the field, giving the QB a big lane to get outside (See 70 yard TD in Game 1). Split the gap between the RG and RT to stuff a run, nobody really tried to block him, seemed like the RG blew his read. Played much better in the second half, was completely erased in the first half. Still only plays a little more than half the snaps in a game due to the DL rotation. I was disappointed to see him struggle so badly against the double team, his calling card is probably his stoutness and ability to play the run. Not being able to anchor against double teams does put a damper on that. In terms of pass rush, he’s kind of a one trick pony, it’s a good trick, the arc rush with the hand swipe, and he has the ability to flatten out at the top, but he’s not asked to rush all that often, and I haven’t seen any type of other moves. He two gaps as essentially a 5 tech around half the time, it’s possible the scheme is limiting his pass rush potential. Or maybe it’s just playing to his strengths. Athletic testing should help determine that a little bit.

                          Georgia (2018): Playing DE, DT. Pretty much played everywhere on the DL in every type of scheme in this game except NT. Starting off at RDT in a 43 defense, nice job shooting the outside gap and getting around the LG to stuff the run. Beat the RT on a power rush around the arc, tried to swat the ball out of the QB’s hand as he went by instead of going for the sack, almost got that ball out. Lined up at LDT, ran a stunt outside, saw the RB screen, did a nice job stuffing that for a loss. The TE is not able to block him in the run game, Omenihu just keeps ripping or throwing him off and making the tackle. Lined him up inside at DT again, RT tried to reach block him, Omenihu shot the inside gap and stuffed the run. Has played inside a lot in this game, has struggled when he tries to bull rush the OGs, but has had success with shooting gaps off the snap. LG able to drive him out of the lane on off tackle run. Lined up at DT, shot the inside gap of the RG, instant penetration and stuffed the run. Texas probably should have used him as a penetrating 43 DT more often. In fact, maybe just more 43 looks more often in general, they rarely did this against Oklahoma. QB pressure on arc rush against the LT, this LT is pretty stout, so not able to power through him as much. Almost had another sack on power arc rush against the RT, had the QB in his grasp but Fromm was able to step out of it. That’s two sacks he should have had but let the QB escape, both coming on power arc rushes against the RT.


                          TLDR:
                          This is a tough guy to evaluate. He’s moved all over the line, very versatile, definitely a guy teams would love on their roster for depth alone. Can probably fatten him up or slim him down depending on where you want to play him. Power and stoutness is above average, but not great. He struggles big time against double teams and big OL types in the power department. Athleticism and quickness is above average, but not great. He can beat the big OL around the outside and to the gaps off the ball, but he’s not what anyone would call fast or sudden. Best attribute really is that he blends decent strength with decent speed and mixes that with positional versatility. I see more of a super reserve, key rotation cog, than dynamic starting talent in the NFL. If I had to start him at a position it would be Strong Side DE in a 43 defense, he needs to get stronger to beat the TE double team though. He did impress at DT against Georgia, so moving him around the line is definitely the way to go.

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                          • Love omenihu great player!

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                            • Damn you mediator. Damn you

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                              • With the 62nd overall selection in the 2019 Orange Mane NFL Mock Draft,

                                the INDIANAPOLIS COLTS select;

                                WR KELVIN HARMON, NC STATE


                                Kelvin Harmon is the #21 overall prospect on my Top 300 Big Board



                                WR KELVIN HARMON NC STATE

                                Boston College (2018); Playing mostly outside WR, some slot WR. Does a good job blocking in the run game. RWR, press man, Go route up sideline, ball thrown a little low and to the inside, Harmon with a nice diving catch in front of the CB for a 20 yard gain. Nice block on CB on off tackle run. Solid job getting out to block CB on WR screen. Seems like a team player, putting good effort into all these block attempts. Mostly running short routes like stops and slants, doesn’t get a lot of separation, or at least hasn’t so far. Continues to be a stud as a run blocker, might be the best blocking WR in the draft, at least in the conversation. I’m curious to see how he racked up his stats, Finley is not taking chances in a tight game, and since Harmon doesn’t get a lot of separation, he’s not getting any looks. Fairly certain that Harmon is an Anquan Boldin type WR, which just means that he generally looks covered, but if you throw the ball near him, he’ll find a way to catch it. Those types of WRs tend to shine with a rocket armed QB with a risk taker mentality. Finley is neither. RWR, press man, Go route, back shoulder throw that was a little too far out of bounds, Harmon with a spinning reach catch where he just was able to get a foot down in bounds. Ridiculous catch. RWR, press man, Go route, back shoulder throw, this one a little low and Harmon almost was able to one arm it, the other arm was being held by the CB, no flag. RWR, press man, Go route, back shoulder throw, Harmon made the catch again. Apparently, Finley likes this match up, he’s pretty accurate with the back shoulder throw as well. RWR, zone coverage, Go route up sideline, just stopped in soft spot in zone, Finley put it right on him at the sideline for a toe tap 20 yard completion. RWR, press man, come back route, 10 yard gain. Harmon with a decent cut at the top of his route. RWR, zone, stop route, 5 yard gain. RWR, zone, out route, 5 yard gain. Press man, Go route, very comfortable looking with a 30 yard over the shoulder grab for a TD. Showed enough speed to pull away from the CB a little bit, Finley dropped right in the bucket, and able to run through the hit from the safety. RWR, sluggo route to the outside, crossed back over the CB on the double move, several steps and Finley threw a floater, safety was able to range over and swat it away at the catch point. RWR, zone, stop route, 10 yard gain. Too easy. Thought this was good tape, Harmon is a very good WR with natural hands and good instincts. Has a little bit of a stocky build, but can jump and contort his body with the best of them. Looked comfortable rebounding 50/50 balls, snagging bombs over the shoulder, or plucking balls on the sideline. Only concern is speed and the fact he doesn’t really separate all that well. This might actually be Anquan Boldin.

                                FSU (2018): Playing outside WR and in the slot. Very good run blocking WR. RWR, zone, settled along the sideline in soft spot, Finley with the overthrow that Harmon was able to leap and snag while just getting one foot in bounds. Wouldn’t have counted in the NFL, counts here. Never mind, replay showed he did get both feet in bounds, excellent NFL caliber sideline snag for 20 yards. RWR, bubble screen, able to plow through a few tacklers for a 5 yard gain. He has to be the best run blocking WR in the draft, can’t really do it much better. LWR, screen, gang tackled for minimal gain, tried to fight through all the tacklers. Press man, corner fade, ball a little underthrown, Harmon did a nice job of shielding the CB with his body while spinning and jumping to cradle catch the 15 yard TD throw. CB tried to rip it out, did not succeed. Press man, good job fighting through jam, Go route up sideline, almost made a circus one handed catch on a ball he didn’t appear to see until it was past him. Got the PI call on the play. Didn’t play most of the 4th quarter in this blowout. Finley spread the ball around quite a bit, Harmon ran several clear out routes for the underneath WR. Lots of running in this game, Harmon is an absolute stud as a run blocker. Thought he flashed when targeted by the QB, has insane hands and quickness when making catches, makes difficult and circus catches routinely. Might have the best hands in the draft, definitely in the discussion. Might actually be the most complete WR in the draft. More recent similar style WRs would be Mike Williams who went in the Top 10, and JuJu Smith-Schuster who went in the second round. I think Harmon ends up closer to Juju simply because his speed is going to be lacking. I don’t really care that much what he runs though, he’s always open, even when he’s not, and he can catch anything. In that sense his on field play is much closer to Mike Williams. Chuck it up, he’ll catch it.

                                Wake Forest (2018): Playing outside WR, sometimes in the slot. RWR, zone, out route, insane catch on the sideline and got his feet down for a 10 yard gain. Refs initially said no catch, they were wrong. RWR, zone, intermediate dig route, 20 yard gain after some YAC. Harmon is very consistent in his ability to just destroy zone coverage, settles in the soft spots and catches the ball no matter how physical the DBs try and get. RWR, zone, nice double move from slant to corner route, 15 yard gain. RWR, hitch route, minimal gain. Continues to be excellent blocking in the run game, effort is always top notch, even gets some drive blocks at times. RWR, zone, quick out route, 5 yard gain on 3rd and 2 which moves the sticks. RWR, zone, curl route, literally settled down between three defenders, Finley with a ballsy throw and right on the money, 10 yard gain. LWR, bubble screen, 5 yard gain. Would like to see him truck some of these DBs and be a little more physical on his YAC. RWR, zone, out route on 3rd and 2, 5 yard gain. He is automatic on 3rd downs as a possession guy. RWR, zone, quick out route, 5 yard gain. LWR, bubble screen, 5 yard gain, did try and break some tackles that time, no luck, DB was not letting go of his leg. RWR, zone, stop route, 5 yard gain. Harmon and Finley are dinking and dunking this zone defense to death. RWR, zone, dig route, 5 yard gain. RWR, zone, Go route down sideline, Finley with an inaccurate high throw, Harmon jumped to try and snag it, Safety came over and swatted his arms down, should have been a flag. RWR, zone, inside slant, nice job using his body to shield CB from the ball, broke first tackle, 15 yard gain. RWR, zone, out route, 10 yard gain. RWR, zone, come back route, nice diving catch on low throw, 5 yard gain. LWR, zone, 15 yard dig route, nice sharp break right in front of DB. Finley with a noodle arm throw on the hail mary at the end of the game, couldn’t even get it 50 yards into the end zone. Good tape, lots of dink and dunk against zone, a handful of intermediate routes, defense was determined not to let the WRs get deep.


                                TLDR:
                                Overall, this might be my favorite WR in the draft, it’s close. He has superb hands, runs sharp routes, knows how to beat zone, is an excellent run blocker, and makes highly athletic catches despite not being highly athletic. I know he’s going to run a slow 40 time, I know his agility is not going to be great. The guy is just a football player and an outstanding catcher of the football. He’ll slip in the draft due to athleticism, someone is going to get a steal just like what happened with Juju.

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