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  • #16
    Originally posted by SoCalBronco View Post
    Haha...I KNEW you were going to say that dude, you have told me that every offseason. A few times I have overreated the Chiefs, but I do think this draft class will really help them out, even in the short term. Actually, the Chiefs have been doing rather well in the draft the last few years, especially at the top. Bowe was a super pick last year and Derrick Johnson is the best strongside linebacker in the division. They've still got major problems in a couple areas, but I think they'll be alright. I don't think Croyle is as bad as everyone says, he had to deal with alot of **** around him last year. I think he'll end up being somewhere between an average NFL QB to Drew Brees (that's his ceiling, not a bad ceiling to have).
    You said they'd be good last year too! I'm going to spare you the old quotes of yours I've found and was going to post. I'll just say that your faith in them rarely jives with reality. It's so weird! I remember at camp the past years you'd look at me with this concerned gaze and say "the Chiefs scare me this year." They have had some decent years, but as long as Germ is their coach they'll never go anywhere.

    True. Their draft at the top was awesome. Couple that with the fact that Carl seems to hit on his first round picks, and it's hard to say they're not headed in a positive direction. That said, even the best rookies take at least a year get going and right now they are just too young to look very good.

    They have no running back either. I know that Albert will help, but he is not a LT and he's only one guy after they got rid of several and don't have much else. I really believe LJ is done too. Croyle is learning way to slowly and gets hurt to much and relapses into mistakes too often for me to ever think he could stand in the same room as Drew Brees' jock. Bowe is good. Tony G has some left in the tank. Derrick Johnson is solid. Then...what? No center, no kicker, no LT, one receiver, no safeties, no running game, an offense that makes the power I look like Air Coryell; I'm sorry man, but while I agree they will surprise some people, they will not win more than 7 games this year.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kaylore View Post
      You said they'd be good last year too! I'm going to spare you the old quotes of yours I've found and was going to post. I'll just say that your faith in them rarely jives with reality. It's so weird! I remember at camp the past years you'd look at me with this concerned gaze and say "the Chiefs scare me this year." They have had some decent years, but as long as Germ is their coach they'll never go anywhere.

      True. Their draft at the top was awesome. Couple that with the fact that Carl seems to hit on his first round picks, and it's hard to say they're not headed in a positive direction. That said, even the best rookies take at least a year get going and right now they are just too young to look very good.

      They have no running back either. I know that Albert will help, but he is not a LT and he's only one guy after they got rid of several and don't have much else. I really believe LJ is done too. Croyle is learning way to slowly and gets hurt to much and relapses into mistakes too often for me to ever think he could stand in the same room as Drew Brees' jock. Bowe is good. Tony G has some left in the tank. Derrick Johnson is solid. Then...what? No center, no kicker, no LT, one receiver, no safeties, no running game, an offense that makes the power I look like Air Coryell; I'm sorry man, but while I agree they will surprise some people, they will not win more than 7 games this year.
      Chiefs | Team adds all-pro safety
      Sat, 24 May 2008 17:49:04 -0700

      Nick Athan, of Warpaint Illustrated, reports that the Kansas City Chiefs have added five time all pro safety Aaron Francisco to their roster.


      Lock it up. Championship.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SoCalBronco View Post
        Chiefs | Team adds all-pro safety
        Sat, 24 May 2008 17:49:04 -0700

        Nick Athan, of Warpaint Illustrated, reports that the Kansas City Chiefs have added five time all pro safety Aaron Francisco to their roster.


        Lock it up. Championship.
        I changed my mind. Chiefs are undefeated.

        For the record:

        Chargers: 11-5
        Broncos: 11-5
        Oakland: 7-9
        Kansas City: 6-10

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        • #19
          San Diego 12 - 4
          Denver 6-10
          Oakland 6-10
          KC 3-13

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          • #20
            Boltaneer come on you are a logical and good Chargers fan. Putting Denver at 6-10 is ludacrous. First of all Shanahan rarely has back to back losing seasons and doesn't regress.

            I am not going to be all homer and say 13-3 but 10-6 to 8-8 is more realistic.

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            • #21
              San Diego 11-5
              Denver 11-5
              Oakland 6-10
              Kansas City 5-11

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              • #22
                Chargers 12-4
                Broncos 10-6
                Chiefs 7-9
                Raiders 4-12

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                • #23
                  San Diego 11-5
                  Oakland 9-7
                  Denver 8-8
                  K.C. 7-9

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                  • #24
                    Only sure thing in division is SD expect them to win afc west again. Denver I have no idea what to expect in 08 easy schedule or not. Oak can be a major mover in 08 if Russell plays good and I think McFadden will be good if he lives up to hype. KC will struggle still imo. One thing for sure we will get an idea of 08 Denver team the first 7 games of 08. I can see us going 2-5 thru 4-3. If we go 4-3 I think we should make playoffs if we avoid losses to teams we should beat. I syill have visions of Elam kicking a game winning FG against us .

                    SD 13-3
                    Oak 10-6
                    Den 8-8
                    KC 6-10
                    Last edited by NFLBRONCO; 05-26-2008, 10:12 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kaylore View Post
                      You said they'd be good last year too! I'm going to spare you the old quotes of yours I've found and was going to post. I'll just say that your faith in them rarely jives with reality. It's so weird! I remember at camp the past years you'd look at me with this concerned gaze and say "the Chiefs scare me this year." They have had some decent years, but as long as Germ is their coach they'll never go anywhere.

                      True. Their draft at the top was awesome. Couple that with the fact that Carl seems to hit on his first round picks, and it's hard to say they're not headed in a positive direction. That said, even the best rookies take at least a year get going and right now they are just too young to look very good.

                      They have no running back either. I know that Albert will help, but he is not a LT and he's only one guy after they got rid of several and don't have much else. I really believe LJ is done too. Croyle is learning way to slowly and gets hurt to much and relapses into mistakes too often for me to ever think he could stand in the same room as Drew Brees' jock. Bowe is good. Tony G has some left in the tank. Derrick Johnson is solid. Then...what? No center, no kicker, no LT, one receiver, no safeties, no running game, an offense that makes the power I look like Air Coryell; I'm sorry man, but while I agree they will surprise some people, they will not win more than 7 games this year.
                      I think this is the year Croyle finally has a chance to show what he has. Last season he was sacked again and again and again. Our RT Chris Terry was so horrible that we cut him before the season was even over. He gave up 14.5 sacks in 11 games. I think Albert, or anybody, is better than Terry.
                      Not sure why you think KC is weak at RB. I think they are deeper then they have been in a long time. LJ is starting. Then you have the speed back in Jamaal Charles who was at least IMO the best RB in the Big 12 last season. Then you have Kolby Smith, who had a few good games but was average. We also have Savage from OSU. He was very productive there.
                      As for the question marks, KC has been grooming Niswanger to play C for 2 seasons. He looked good when he got playing time last year before his knee was shredded. LT is obviously going to Albert who has all the measurables to play LT but just needs some experience.
                      KC drafted Will Franklin as the #2 or #3 WR. He was productive at Mizzou and was a good #2 WR for them. I think the Safety position is also deep too. Wesley is leaving thank god and Page is solid. Pollard still has some learning to do and we got a good value by drafting Dejaun Morgan in round 3.
                      It's basically just like I said. KC has talent on paper, but it needs to be proven and gelled together.

                      There were 2 big problems with KC last season.

                      1. We couldn't run the ball-28th in the NFL
                      2.We couldn't stop the run-30th in the NFL

                      I think getting Dorsey and getting deeper at RB will help those problems

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                      • #26
                        I really don't see the faiders doing well. At least the chefs have a plan and stability in the front office and coaching staff. That goes a long way in trying to build a winner. The faid is throwing money around trying to win the Dan Snyder way (which is never lasting, nor does it work with such instability in the front office and the coaching carousel).

                        Russell is a complete unknown, McFadden is a complete unkown, their offensive line is not very good, the WRs are mediocre at best. All in all their offense is very suspect.

                        As for the faid's defense, it's a mystery too. FA acquisitions aside, it all still has to gel and with Kiffen and Davis not seeing eye-to-eye, I really see more chaos than anything.

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                        • #27
                          San Diego 11-5
                          Denver 10-6
                          Oakland 6-10
                          Kansas City 5-11

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by KCStud View Post
                            I think this is the year Croyle finally has a chance to show what he has. Last season he was sacked again and again and again. Our RT Chris Terry was so horrible that we cut him before the season was even over. He gave up 14.5 sacks in 11 games. I think Albert, or anybody, is better than Terry.
                            Not sure why you think KC is weak at RB. I think they are deeper then they have been in a long time. LJ is starting. Then you have the speed back in Jamaal Charles who was at least IMO the best RB in the Big 12 last season. Then you have Kolby Smith, who had a few good games but was average. We also have Savage from OSU. He was very productive there.
                            As for the question marks, KC has been grooming Niswanger to play C for 2 seasons. He looked good when he got playing time last year before his knee was shredded. LT is obviously going to Albert who has all the measurables to play LT but just needs some experience.
                            KC drafted Will Franklin as the #2 or #3 WR. He was productive at Mizzou and was a good #2 WR for them. I think the Safety position is also deep too. Wesley is leaving thank god and Page is solid. Pollard still has some learning to do and we got a good value by drafting Dejaun Morgan in round 3.
                            It's basically just like I said. KC has talent on paper, but it needs to be proven and gelled together.

                            There were 2 big problems with KC last season.

                            1. We couldn't run the ball-28th in the NFL
                            2.We couldn't stop the run-30th in the NFL

                            I think getting Dorsey and getting deeper at RB will help those problems
                            You say you have talent on paper, I say you don't because you are assuming the guys the Chiefs drafted will be good players. A ton of "ifs" there. I just don't see the Chiefs being anything but marginally better than they were this past year. I mean, you guys lost your best defensive player. What did you add? A rookie who has yet to play a snap. You think he's going to become an All Pro right away? Keep dreaming. A lot of backtracking to college careers too, and that doesn't mean it will translate to the NFL. I wouldn't start talking about how deep a position is now when you think guys who have none or little experience will be big factors in your game.

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                            • #29
                              san diego is a sinking ship don't expect much.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KCStud
                                I think this is the year Croyle finally has a chance to show what he has. Last season he was sacked again and again and again. Our RT Chris Terry was so horrible that we cut him before the season was even over. He gave up 14.5 sacks in 11 games. I think Albert, or anybody, is better than Terry.... LT is obviously going to Albert who has all the measurables to play LT but just needs some experience.
                                Albert doesn't have the measurables to play left tackle. He isn't quick enough. You're talking about a guy who played guard in college and you want to put him on the blind side of your QB to completely re-learn a position? I hope you guys try that against us. If they really want to play him at tackle, I suspect they try him at RT first and see how he does outside. Even if Clady works out, that still leaves one side of your line that isn't any good and a hole filled interior.
                                Not sure why you think KC is weak at RB. I think they are deeper then they have been in a long time. LJ is starting.
                                That won't last long. He'll play have some marginal success and then be out football in a couple of years. He's following the same process every other power back has that goes over 400 carries. First they go 400 carries, then they get hurt the following year. Then they come back for one marginal year. Then they are benched and out of football. I watched LJ run last year and even before his injury he wasn't the same player and you know it.
                                Then you have the speed back in Jamaal Charles who was at least IMO the best RB in the Big 12 last season. Then you have Kolby Smith, who had a few good games but was average. We also have Savage from OSU. He was very productive there.
                                Basically Charles has to break out because you have one average guy. Are you really expecting your undrafted free agent to contribute? You're not the Broncos. While on paper your depth looks good, no one there scares me.
                                As for the question marks, KC has been grooming Niswanger to play C for 2 seasons. He looked good when he got playing time last year before his knee was shredded.
                                So a guy with limited playing time coming of a torn up knee is the answer?
                                KC drafted Will Franklin as the #2 or #3 WR. He was productive at Mizzou and was a good #2 WR for them.
                                Will Franklin isn't very smart. He also doesn't have great hands. He's also kind of raw. You are telling me that you honestly believe that he's going win the the number two receiver spot on your team?
                                I think the Safety position is also deep too.
                                Yes it is deep. However the quality of that depth isn't very good. Wesley was better than Pollard. A rookie corner on the other side isn't going to help a now very aged Pat Surtain.
                                It's basically just like I said. KC has talent on paper, but it needs to be proven and gelled together.
                                They also have just as many holes. It will take another draft like this one before you guys can start being competitive again.



                                1. We couldn't run the ball-28th in the NFL
                                2.We couldn't stop the run-30th in the NFL

                                I think getting Dorsey and getting deeper at RB will help those problems
                                Dorsey will help your interior, but you lost Allen which will show. Hali isn't going to do well. He already had a major threat on the other side and even with more one-on-one situations he only managed 7 sacks. Now he's the guy and it will be very easy to shut him down.

                                As for your line, it is now a bunch of unproven's and unknowns. Albert is a great prospect - at RT or Guard. That has more to do with running the ball than getting a new RB. It's a good thing Croyle is mobile, but it's not good that he's so injury prone.

                                And what about your special teams? Your kicker is and return game is terrible.

                                I just don't see it. You guys would have to have everyone you brought in work out for your team to get 8 wins. For a pretty unlucky franchise that's expecting a lot. If I were a Chiefs fan I would just trust the plan. Expect a bad season on paper next year with the understanding that we were building toward something better in the long term and in two or three years we could be a good team.

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