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  • So it's a full season later - what was the effect of losing Doom for 8 mil a year?

    They got a respectable season out of Philips for 1 mil. and ended up with Ware for 10 mil a year.

    Did we get hurt by losing Doom?

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    At this point certainly not. Ware has always been better than Doom and still is; by a wife margin. Last year, it felt like we missed him more than we probably really did because of Miller's "down" season.

    If Miller played all of last season and to the standard we were all expecting we wouldn't have even noticed Doom was gone and Phillips likely would have equaled Doom's projected production.

    That's last season. This season, I'd take Ware over Doom - even at a higher pay rate - every time.

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    • #3
      Won't know until a few years - but based on this past season it wouldn't have made a difference.

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      • #4
        No one knows. The obvious answer is that we did not miss him but maybe we win the SB with him on the defense. Maybe in the first quarter he sacks Russell and forces a fumble which is returned for a TD...... change the whole outcome of the game.


        I disagree with this thread.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Guess Who View Post
          No one knows. The obvious answer is that we did not miss him but maybe we win the SB with him on the defense. Maybe in the first quarter he sacks Russell and forces a fumble which is returned for a TD...... change the whole outcome of the game.


          I disagree with this thread.
          Also imagine we never cut McGhee. Next Denver possession Manning hands off to Willis but is met by Chancellor in the backfield who he stiff arms and tears off his facemask and takes it to the house, 80 yards.

          Im going to cry myself to sleep now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by baja View Post
            They got a respectable season out of Philips for 1 mil. and ended up with Ware for 10 mil a year.

            Did we get hurt by losing Doom?
            Time to move on. There's no real way you can say one way or the other. We'll have a healthy Miller and Ware come regular season game 1 so I'm more then fine with that, in addition to the other FA's we got. I think this defense will be improved.

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            • #7
              Half the board thought it was a big loss the other half thought they could replace his play or at least his sack numbers just wondering how people see it today.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by baja View Post
                Half the board thought it was a big loss the other half thought they could replace his play or at least his sack numbers just wondering how people see it today.
                A part of me is glad he signed with Baltimore and they stunk. Not to mention we destroyed them in the opener. But with Von's off the field issues and injury he would've helped a lot.

                How much better could we be though? 13-3, Super Bowl. He is the type of player a team must game-plan against. Giving our defense that pass rush we needed against Seattle.

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                • #9
                  If he had played for us would have torn his triceps week 7 and missed the rest of the season

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Flacko View Post
                    A part of me is glad he signed with Baltimore and they stunk. Not to mention we destroyed them in the opener. But with Von's off the field issues and injury he would've helped a lot.

                    How much better could we be though? 13-3, Super Bowl. He is the type of player a team must game-plan against. Giving our defense that pass rush we needed against Seattle.
                    I think Elway regrets loosing Doom's leadership. John knows he slipped up on the handling of that one but I bet it never happens again. Elway is going to end up being one hell of a football man before it's all said and done.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kappys View Post
                      If he had played for us would have torn his triceps week 7 and missed the rest of the season
                      That's funny. I had that same thought when I knew he was gone.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by baja View Post
                        I think Elway regrets loosing Doom's leadership. John knows he slipped up on the handling of that one but I bet it never happens again. Elway is going to end up being one hell of a football man before it's all said and done.
                        I still think Dumervil and his agent tried to pull a fast one on the Broncos (an overt attempt to avoid taking a pay cut by intentionally missing a deadline) and Elway did what he had to do when the signature was not on the dotted line when it should have been. The "fax at Kinko's" story never made any sense whatsoever to me with the technology available today. And then damage control and/or butthurt took over and Dumervil wanted to sign with any other team (Would other Broncos players have bought the Kinko's fax-failure explanation? I'm not certain they would have.)

                        Ultimately, Dumervil took the easy out, placing all of the blame on his (quickly-fired) agent and "getting out of Dodge" to avoid any possibly-uncomfortable questions from his now-former teammates.

                        I absolutely do not place any blame on Elway -- he didn't want to cut Dumervil but football's a business so he did what he had to do. Otherwise the Broncos would have been stuck with overpaying Dumervil and team management absolutely cannot afford to set a precedent like that -- or to appear weak and vulnerable to that type of subterfuge.

                        If Dumervil had truly been bargaining in good faith with the team, then it shouldn't have come down to a "last few seconds ticking off the clock while the team's waiting for a fax" situation. It absolutely did not have to come down to a last-minute thing or lame, unbelievable "explanations". The simplest explanation is he tried to hose the team we love. Rot in Baltimore, Elvis.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
                          I still think Dumervil and his agent tried to pull a fast one on the Broncos (an overt attempt to avoid taking a pay cut by intentionally missing a deadline) and Elway did what he had to do when the signature was not on the dotted line when it should have been. The "fax at Kinko's" story never made any sense whatsoever to me with the technology available today. And then damage control and/or butthurt took over and Dumervil wanted to sign with any other team (Would other Broncos players have bought the Kinko's fax-failure explanation? I'm not certain they would have.)

                          Ultimately, Dumervil took the easy out, placing all of the blame on his (quickly-fired) agent and "getting out of Dodge" to avoid any possibly-uncomfortable questions from his now-former teammates.

                          I absolutely do not place any blame on Elway -- he didn't want to cut Dumervil but football's a business so he did what he had to do. Otherwise the Broncos would have been stuck with overpaying Dumervil and team management absolutely cannot afford to set a precedent like that -- or to appear weak and vulnerable to that type of subterfuge.

                          If Dumervil had truly been bargaining in good faith with the team, then it shouldn't have come down to a "last few seconds ticking off the clock while the team's waiting for a fax" situation. It absolutely did not have to come down to a last-minute thing or lame, unbelievable "explanations". The simplest explanation is he tried to hose the team we love. Rot in Baltimore, Elvis.
                          It wasn't a negotiation. Elway told Dumervil and his agent flat out that hey could take the reduced salary or he would be fired before his guarantee kicked in. Dumervil said he wouldn't do it and that was that. I am guessing as free agency didn't result in huge contracts to some of the defensive ends on the market and several teams had already used up their cap space the potential for a big contract dwindled and Dumervil and his agent audibled and said they would take a reduced deal. Elway sent a contract proposal, Dumervil didn't like it and wanted changes, Elway sent a revised copy that Dumervil didn't get back in time so Elway had to cut him to prevent the original bonus from coming due.

                          I think the loss did hurt the team last season. Dumervil is a better player than Philips and I think he would have been more productive all around than Philips was. I do think moving into the coming season that having Ware is better than Dumervil, and it is worth remembering that Dumervil had he accepted the changed contract last season would probably still be cut this season or faced with another restructure.

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                          • #14
                            Ware gives us the leadership we need on defense. Vocal leader. Backs it up on and off the field.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Guess Who View Post
                              No one knows. The obvious answer is that we did not miss him but maybe we win the SB with him on the defense. Maybe in the first quarter he sacks Russell and forces a fumble which is returned for a TD...... change the whole outcome of the game.


                              I disagree with this thread.


                              I hate hypothetical questions. If this had happened or had that happened the outcome would have been different. The outcome is what it was. Doom is gone and it doesn't matter now. The only things we can make note of are Phillips filled in well last season and most if not all of us would rather have Ware instead.

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