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  • An Agents take on Broncos FA signings

    Really nice read on how Broncos worked the contracts of Sanders, Ware, Talib and Ward.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...spending-spree

  • #2
    Very good read. Wow, another $30 Mil. next off-season. Wonder how much Knighton will ask for, Welker is most likely gone next year.

    Is the projected $30 Mil. before or after Miller's tag?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Flacko View Post
      Very good read. Wow, another $30 Mil. next off-season. Wonder how much Knighton will ask for, Welker is most likely gone next year.

      Is the projected $30 Mil. before or after Miller's tag?
      I am not sure Welker is gone. He could sign a one or two year deal. Thing about slot WRs is if they can stay healthy they can play a long time because their game is route running and not speed.

      I'd talk to Knighton this year about an extension and see if he will go for it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Guess Who View Post
        I am not sure Welker is gone. He could sign a one or two year deal. Thing about slot WRs is if they can stay healthy they can play a long time because their game is route running and not speed.
        Quite possible but IMO their intent is to use Sanders there after Welkers contract is up. Hopefully, a draft pick from this year will be ready to start opposite Demarius by then.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Flacko View Post
          Very good read. Wow, another $30 Mil. next off-season. Wonder how much Knighton will ask for, Welker is most likely gone next year.

          Is the projected $30 Mil. before or after Miller's tag?
          $30M after Miller's option. Sounds like a lot of money, but it's not. Pretty sure Welker will be gone.

          1. Demaryius Thomas - ~$10M
          2. Julius Thomas - ~$6M
          3. Orlando Franklin - ~$6M
          4. Chris Harris - ~$6M

          That accounts for almost all of it right there, not including Terrance Knighton, Rahim Moore, and 13 other backups/draft picks in 2015. As I've been saying for awhile now, Prater and Colquitt should have been cut/restructured last year. Same goes for Dreessen/Tamme.
          Last edited by pricejj; 03-28-2014, 04:04 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pricejj View Post
            $30M after Miller's option. Sounds like a lot of money, but it's not. Pretty sure Welker will be gone.

            1. Demaryius Thomas - ~$10M
            2. Julius Thomas - ~$6M
            3. Orlando Franklin - ~$6M
            4. Chris Harris - ~$6M

            That accounts for almost all of it right there, not including Terrance Knighton, Rahim Moore, and 13 other backups/draft picks in 2015.

            As I've been saying for awhile now, Prater and Colquitt should have been cut/restructured last year. Same goes for Dreessen/Tamme.
            No way we cut Prater - he deserves the money. Colquitt is a different story.

            We need to have a great draft this year...and with how deep it is hopefully we nail it.

            Also hope Painter can come through...

            Maybe Manning takes a pay cut next year too?

            Also cap numbers never are what they seem. As you can see how horribly off everyone was in their assumption of how much cap room Broncos had this year...then we land Ware - Talib - TJ Ward - Emmanuel Sanders.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Action View Post

              Maybe Manning takes a pay cut next year too?

              Also cap numbers never are what they seem. As you can see how horribly off everyone was in their assumption of how much cap room Broncos had this year...then we land Ware - Talib - TJ Ward - Emmanuel Sanders.
              Nobody was off in cap room assumptions. Everybody knew Champ and Kuper would probably be gone. The only thing I knew, is that not everyone would be back. I figured Beadles and Knowshon would be gone and they are. Next year Welker will be gone, and at least one more starter like Orlando Franklin (need more spending on Defense).

              2013-2016:
              1. Manning is scheduled to make $78M
              2. Brady is only scheduled to make $55M

              Brady isn't even in the top 10 of QB salaries, and that is what you call a MAJOR hometown discount. If Manning would play for only $13M per year (like Brady), the Broncos would be able to load up even more.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pricejj View Post
                Nobody was off in cap room assumptions. Everybody knew Champ and Kuper would probably be gone. The only thing I knew, is that not everyone would be back. I figured Beadles and Knowshon would be gone and they are. Next year Welker will be gone, and at least one more starter like Orlando Franklin (need more spending on Defense).

                2013-2016:
                1. Manning is scheduled to make $78M
                2. Brady is only scheduled to make $55M

                Brady isn't even in the top 10 of QB salaries, and that is what you call a MAJOR hometown discount. If Manning would play for only $13M per year (like Brady), the Broncos would be able to load up even more.
                That's called delusion.

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                • #9
                  I was following your thread on cap space spread sheet -- that thing was way off.

                  Show me a post with anyone claiming we'd have almost 35 million in cap space off season after taking into account rookie signings for the 2014 NFL draft.

                  Anyone claiming they'd think we would be able to afford who we did before this started is full of ****.
                  Last edited by Action; 03-28-2014, 04:30 AM.

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                  • #10
                    It's only delusional if you never looked at the math.

                    Even with all the recent Defensive signings, the Offense still outspends the Defense by $20M.

                    The vast majority of big ticket items that come up next year are on the Offensive side of the ball. So it goes without saying, that we will lose a couple of those guys.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pricejj View Post
                      It's only delusional if you never looked at the math.

                      Even with all the recent Defensive signings, the Offense still outspends the Defense by $20M.

                      The vast majority of big ticket items that come up next year are on the Offensive side of the ball. So it goes without saying, that we will lose a couple of those guys.
                      I didn't look at the math - I just looked at cap space available highlighted at the top of the post.

                      I am not saying next years calculations are right or wrong at this moment - all I know was the 2014 cap space projections by you and others were wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Action View Post
                        I was following your thread on cap space spread sheet -- that thing was way off.
                        Way off? The spreadsheet has been up since 3/11 with the most accurate information available on the web. All the Broncos did was shift money around by playing musical chairs. While some spots have been upgraded, others have gone unfilled. The Broncos have lost 8 starters in FA, and gained 4.


                        1. Instead of having Champ, we have Ware
                        2. Instead of having DRC, we have Talib
                        3. Instead of having Decker, we have Sanders
                        4. Instead of having Phillips and Adams, we have Ward

                        Still missing replacements for Woodyard, Beadles, and Moreno.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pricejj View Post
                          Way off? The spreadsheet has been up since 3/11 with the most accurate information available on the web. All the Broncos did was shift money around by playing musical chairs. While some spots have been upgraded, others have gone unfilled. The Broncos have lost 8 starters in FA, and gained 4.


                          1. Instead of having Champ, we have Ware
                          2. Instead of having DRC, we have Talib
                          3. Instead of having Decker, we have Sanders
                          4. Instead of having Phillips and Adams, we have Ward

                          Still missing replacements for Woodyard, Beadles, and Moreno.
                          why yes - in hindsight it's definitely easy to understand what they did.

                          As I was saying earlier NO ONE projected we'd have the amount of cap space we did (taking into account Champ and Kuper).

                          Show me anyone saying we'd have some of the most money in the NFL to spend this off season.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Action View Post

                            I am not saying next years calculations are right or wrong at this moment - all I know was the 2014 cap space projections by you and others were wrong.
                            Not even close dude. Yeah, we had $30M in cap without signing any of our own players. Just like next year, they will have $30M in cap without signing any of their own FA's.

                            All I said was:
                            1. The Broncos have 8 starting positions that need to be filled because of FA
                            2. They won't be able to fill them all

                            I was right. Now they will be looking for immediate starters in the draft. I think they made good decisions so far this offseason, but it all depends on what they end up with in the draft. If they're left without an impact LB, and without a good RT, then they screwed up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pricejj View Post
                              Not even close dude. Yeah, we had $30M in cap without signing any of our own players. Just like next year, they will have $30M in cap without signing any of their own FA's.

                              All I said was:
                              1. The Broncos have 8 starting positions that need to be filled because of FA
                              2. They won't be able to fill them all

                              I was right. Now they will be looking for immediate starters in the draft. I think they made good decisions so far this offseason, but it all depends on what they end up with in the draft. If they're left without an impact LB, and without a good RT, then they screwed up.
                              I know that's what you're saying now, but what you had was off man, like I said I was following the thread and said to hell with it after I saw the signings and numbers fluctuate.

                              You want to be right? Show me ANYWHERE that anyone said we'd have someone of the most cap room in the NFL this off season.

                              The Broncos' only have 29 players under contract for 2015 using $94.71 million of cap space. With the salary cap expected to have a similar increase to this year's 8.13 percent, it should be around $145 million in 2015.
                              How does that equate to 30 million in cap space without signing any of our own players?

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