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  • Fixing the Broncos: It's all about turnovers

    I really thought the broncos fixed this towards the end of the year. But what we saw on Sunday was a massive revisit of the one real weakness we all worried about this year and last year. And, unfortunately, the Seahawks were one of the best at making turnovers happen. The Broncos had a poor turnover margin at 0 as you just do not see it that low for good teams. The Seahawks were +20. It's not the defense or offense, it's turnovers!

    So, how do the Broncos fix this? The massive turnovers that teams get like the Seahawks and 49ers are the reason for these teams success. And it is also the reason for the Broncos failure. Do not get fooled about needing a great defense as the one thing nobody talked about during the super bowl is how the turnover gap between the two teams would play out. Turnovers not only add possessions and take them away, they also provide momentum. And we saw how that played out Sunday.

    There are not too many stats that can directly be linked to coaching, but one of them has to be the turnover margin. The other is likely the ability for the coach to win challenges. Thus I believe the solution for the Broncos being a poorly prepared team is to fix the coaching. And this starts with John Fox.
    Last edited by Coldcity76; 02-04-2014, 07:19 AM.

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    I have a new theory. But it's kind of an old theory, as far as Manning goes.

    That's not to say turnovers aren't critical, but if you look at at least 2 of those turnover from the SB, they're also related to this problem...

    Manning makes OL's look much better than they really are. Then an elite DL comes calling (often in the playoffs), and the illusion falls apart.

    The 97-98 Broncos were the greatest offense we ever had (at least until now, arguably) But their signature was balance. Great running and great passing. Now obviously TD and Elway deserved a lot of credit. But the one common piece that made both work better than ever? The OL.

    Enter Manning. He's made piss poor OL's look serviceable his whole career. We drank the kool-aid. We forgot our history. Our OL was decimated by injuries, no doubt. But as far as asking "What's our biggest hole for one more title run next year?"

    It's OL play first and foremost. And hopefully some better luck with injuries.

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    • #3
      Did not force one turnover in three playoff games.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LetsGoBroncos View Post
        Did not force one turnover in three playoff games.
        This is an important point. But you're not going to win titles giving up 4 turnovers. Or effectively 5 if you count the safety.

        If you're halfway evenly matched or worse... which is more likely than not in the title rounds, 5 turnovers is a recipe for a blowout.

        Which is what we obviously just watched.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LetsGoBroncos View Post
          Did not force one turnover in three playoff games.
          According to NFL.com the Broncos were -6 in the playoffs...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
            This is an important point. But you're not going to win titles giving up 4 turnovers. Or effectively 5 if you count the safety.

            If you're halfway evenly matched or worse... which is more likely than not in the title rounds, 5 turnovers is a recipe for a blowout.

            Which is what we obviously just watched.
            6 if you count the turnover on downs and the safety

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chrissy Rules View Post
              and as much as we and millions of others love Fox U R INDEED 100% RIGHT...football is not a nice sport and he is just to nice. hes to 1 dimensional...he doesn't either know how or is to scared to adjust his plan...look at what just happened...challenges he makes are crazy more times then not...the ones he should have made he lets go....I just as much as he is loved well ......
              Yup, and even if we think that Fox can become more hardcore on his players next year we would be fooled as he has a medical condition that would inhibit the very behavior of being an "in-your-face" coach.

              John Fox is a nice guy no doubt. But a tough coach he is not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Coldcity76 View Post
                Yup, and even if we think that Fox can become more hardcore on his players next year we would be fooled as he has a medical condition that would inhibit the very behavior of being an "in-your-face" coach.

                John Fox is a nice guy no doubt. But a tough coach he is not.
                I think most of us agree on this. But why does Del Rio get a pass?? He is the DC! He has to breathe fire into his players.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stoxman View Post
                  I think most of us agree on this. But why does Del Rio get a pass?? He is the DC! He has to breathe fire into his players.
                  Did a great job against SD and NE.

                  This game was a cluster. The D was the one bright spot. Responsible for 6 of the first 29 points.

                  But we need to force more turnovers, period.

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                  • #10
                    Our D is solid, so I don't think there's as much work to be done (but there *is* work to be done), so you're right about it being all about TOs. We need Von to create havoc, we need Q Smith/Mcray to develop, and we desperately need help at both the S positions. Need a true MLB.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                      I have a new theory. But it's kind of an old theory, as far as Manning goes.

                      That's not to say turnovers aren't critical, but if you look at at least 2 of those turnover from the SB, they're also related to this problem...

                      Manning makes OL's look much better than they really are. Then an elite DL comes calling (often in the playoffs), and the illusion falls apart.

                      The 97-98 Broncos were the greatest offense we ever had (at least until now, arguably) But their signature was balance. Great running and great passing. Now obviously TD and Elway deserved a lot of credit. But the one common piece that made both work better than ever? The OL.

                      Enter Manning. He's made piss poor OL's look serviceable his whole career. We drank the kool-aid. We forgot our history. Our OL was decimated by injuries, no doubt. But as far as asking "What's our biggest hole for one more title run next year?"

                      It's OL play first and foremost. And hopefully some better luck with injuries.
                      Sir you hit the nail right on the head! If Clady plays Manning doesn't throw one of those INT's. Bye Bye Orlando Franklin, has to go.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stoxman View Post
                        I think most of us agree on this. But why does Del Rio get a pass?? He is the DC! He has to breathe fire into his players.
                        Because the cupboard was bare months ago and we did well with nothing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by orangenblue View Post
                          Sir you hit the nail right on the head! If Clady plays Manning doesn't throw one of those INT's. Bye Bye Orlando Franklin, has to go.
                          That's like saying because we get Von Miller back we don't need Vickerson. They don't play the same position

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by orangenblue View Post
                            Sir you hit the nail right on the head! If Clady plays Manning doesn't throw one of those INT's. Bye Bye Orlando Franklin, has to go.
                            He has to go inside to guard. I think he would kill it there.

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                            • #15
                              Fixing the Broncos: Show up on game day

                              signed,

                              Mike Shanahan

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