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  • "the way to beat manning is keep him off the field"...I don't get it.

    you here this repeated time and time again - the way to beat Manning is to keep him off the field - you do that by running the football, and winning the time of possession. This is the blue-print that SD used in week 15, right?

    I don't understand why this is supposed to be the key to victory. All you are doing by eating clock is eating possessions both teams will have. Neglecting turnovers, both teams will have possession an equal amount of times - or pretty close anyways. As soon as your drive ends, you give the ball back.

    limiting the number of possessions means that you are counting on your guys doing more with the ball than your opponent - each possession is more important (because there are fewer of them), so you better be producing points.

    SD won in week 15 because they were more efficient with their drives than we were. Den had 9 possessions, SD had 8 (not counting end of half kneel-downs). SD scored on 5 of those, Broncos scored on 4. SD had 3 TD's, Broncos had 2. SD punted 3x, Denver punted 4x. SD had 0 turnovers, Denver had 1. That's why SD won, it had nothing to do with time of possession.

    consider the week 10 game. Here, SD had 10 possessions, Denver 11. SC scored on 4 drives with 2 TDs. Denver also scored on 4 drives, 4 TD's. SD punted 5x, Denver also punted 5x. SD had 0 turnovers, Denver had 1. Denver won this game despite a 22:38 TOP disadvantage.

    To win this way, SD has got to score TD's, not FG's. That seems to be the difference between the two games.

    Now, it could be very easy for Denver to blow SD out of the water if they try to play like this - it's simple - convert 3rd downs. It's that easy. Denver was 3-8 in the first game and 2-9 in the second. That's what killed us. it really had nothing to do with SD's running game, it had everything to do with not converting on 3rd down.

    To do that, we need to do a better job of staying on schedule early and keeping 3rd down manageable. The average distance we converted in the two previous games was 4.2, the average distance we failed to convert was 7.25. We do this with the running game. in week 15 we had only 11 rushes the whole game, only 20 in week 10. That's not going to get it done. That's not playoff football. SD has given up 4.6 yards per attempt this season (granted, they have had some injuries); there is no reason we should not be feeding Moreno and Ball on 1st and 2nd down.

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    the way to beat manning is the same way you beat brady--pound him all day long and if you don't get to him, make him move from his spot and worry about the sea of hands grasping at his feet.

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    • #3
      If we are using worn out cliches the best way to beat Manning is the same way as you win any game. Score more points at the end of the game.

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      • #4
        Yep, along the same lines, I've been saying all year that the defense just has to hold teams to FGs and they'll be alright (of course that assumes the O doesn't turn the ball over 3 times)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DENVERDUI55 View Post
          If we are using worn out cliches the best way to beat Manning is the same way as you win any game. Score more points at the end of the game.

          and to hang around like an ol' bologna sandwich...


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Smiling Assassin27 View Post
            the way to beat manning is the same way you beat brady--pound him all day long and if you don't get to him, make him move from his spot and worry about the sea of hands grasping at his feet.
            and mug the receiving targets and hope for non calls.

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            • #7
              TOP had everything to do with that loss. 4th down blunder gave them a 1st down. Extending a 6 minute drive. Broncos go 3 and outs with minimal time taken off. SD scores with long drives converting 3rd downs. It's not hard to see if the TOP was slighted the other way we would've won that game.

              3 and outs have a direct effect on TOP. Sure you can score in seconds and have the TOP not in your favor. But the longer SD is on the field the harder it is to win. That 2nd quarter broncos had the ball only about 2 minutes the entire quarter. That's where chargers pulled away. TOP had impact there.


              I think everyone wants to see the offense get the majority of the game clock time over the defense.
              Last edited by Drunken.Broncoholic2; 01-06-2014, 08:43 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                TOP had everything to do with that loss. 4th down blunder gave them a 1st down. Extending a 6 minute drive. Broncos go 3 and outs with minimal time taken off. SD scores with long drives converting 3rd downs. It's not hard to see if the TOP was slighted the other way we would've won that game.
                the way I look at it, ToP is a result of the discrepancy of 3rd down conversions, not the driving factor. If you can consistently convert on 3rd down and prevent your opponent from doing the same, you will score more points and win the game - oh, and coincidentally, win the ToP battle.

                you don't win the game by winning ToP, you win ToP by doing the things necessary to win the game.

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                • #9
                  Getting A gap pressure on Manning is also the best way to disrupt him. If he has to move from side to side in the pocket he is much less accurate with his passes. He seems to be less hindered by pressure that comes from the outside when he can just step up in the pocket and let it fly.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mwill07 View Post
                    you here this repeated time and time again - the way to beat Manning is to keep him off the field - you do that by running the football, and winning the time of possession. This is the blue-print that SD used in week 15, right?

                    I don't understand why this is supposed to be the key to victory. All you are doing by eating clock is eating possessions both teams will have. Neglecting turnovers, both teams will have possession an equal amount of times - or pretty close anyways. As soon as your drive ends, you give the ball back.

                    limiting the number of possessions means that you are counting on your guys doing more with the ball than your opponent - each possession is more important (because there are fewer of them), so you better be producing points.

                    SD won in week 15 because they were more efficient with their drives than we were. Den had 9 possessions, SD had 8 (not counting end of half kneel-downs). SD scored on 5 of those, Broncos scored on 4. SD had 3 TD's, Broncos had 2. SD punted 3x, Denver punted 4x. SD had 0 turnovers, Denver had 1. That's why SD won, it had nothing to do with time of possession.

                    consider the week 10 game. Here, SD had 10 possessions, Denver 11. SC scored on 4 drives with 2 TDs. Denver also scored on 4 drives, 4 TD's. SD punted 5x, Denver also punted 5x. SD had 0 turnovers, Denver had 1. Denver won this game despite a 22:38 TOP disadvantage.

                    To win this way, SD has got to score TD's, not FG's. That seems to be the difference between the two games.

                    Now, it could be very easy for Denver to blow SD out of the water if they try to play like this - it's simple - convert 3rd downs. It's that easy. Denver was 3-8 in the first game and 2-9 in the second. That's what killed us. it really had nothing to do with SD's running game, it had everything to do with not converting on 3rd down.

                    To do that, we need to do a better job of staying on schedule early and keeping 3rd down manageable. The average distance we converted in the two previous games was 4.2, the average distance we failed to convert was 7.25. We do this with the running game. in week 15 we had only 11 rushes the whole game, only 20 in week 10. That's not going to get it done. That's not playoff football. SD has given up 4.6 yards per attempt this season (granted, they have had some injuries); there is no reason we should not be feeding Moreno and Ball on 1st and 2nd down.
                    Good post. I agree with everything but will state that the one thing about TOP is SD can control it, they potentially keep Manning out of rythm. To me, this was apparent in the last game with all the 3 and outs.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Smiling Assassin27 View Post
                      and to hang around like an ol' bologna sandwich...





                      I still don't miss Madden....thank God he retired

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mwill07 View Post
                        the way I look at it, ToP is a result of the discrepancy of 3rd down conversions, not the driving factor. If you can consistently convert on 3rd down and prevent your opponent from doing the same, you will score more points and win the game - oh, and coincidentally, win the ToP battle.

                        you don't win the game by winning ToP, you win ToP by doing the things necessary to win the game.
                        That's controlling the TOP though. SD ranked at the top in converting 3rd downs so that's a part of their offense. When I look at that charger game it was lost in the 2nd quarter. SD 14 points. Broncos 0. SD 13:01 mins. Broncos 1:59 mins. TOP doesn't always have an effect on a W-L. But in that game no better example of TOP than the 2nd quarter.

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                        • #13
                          I do think there is some credence to what Chef Luigi the retard said about the running game on this board.... sustain drives by winning at the point of attack, 1st down after 1st down, and let Manning use play action to take his high percentage shots. If they commit to stopping Moreno and Ball, wax them all afternoon with Welker and cruch 1st downs. If they want to double Welker, let Big Orange chew them up over the middle. If they take Big Orange, heat the up with Decker and DT.

                          THEY CAN"T COVER STOP EVERYBODY, ITS ABOUT EXECTION.

                          as long as the O-line steps up in playoff form, the Chargers cannot defend our Offense unless we play down to them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                            That's controlling the TOP though. SD ranked at the top in converting 3rd downs so that's a part of their offense. When I look at that charger game it was lost in the 2nd quarter. SD 14 points. Broncos 0. SD 13:01 mins. Broncos 1:59 mins. TOP doesn't always have an effect on a W-L. But in that game no better example of TOP than the 2nd quarter.
                            if we put together a streak of 3-4 3 and outs, its could be ugly.

                            Convert on 3rd downs, move the chains, win the game... that simple.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                              TOP had everything to do with that loss. 4th down blunder gave them a 1st down. Extending a 6 minute drive. Broncos go 3 and outs with minimal time taken off. SD scores with long drives converting 3rd downs. It's not hard to see if the TOP was slighted the other way we would've won that game.

                              3 and outs have a direct effect on TOP. Sure you can score in seconds and have the TOP not in your favor. But the longer SD is on the field the harder it is to win. That 2nd quarter broncos had the ball only about 2 minutes the entire quarter. That's where chargers pulled away. TOP had impact there.


                              I think everyone wants to see the offense get the majority of the game clock time over the defense.
                              Yep and they were saying yesterday that SD has the best TOP this year. The Broncos were top in that area when they won their SB's, I'm hoping Elway reminds the coaches of that.

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