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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dedhed View Post
    Drafting a QB to start immediately is the hallmark of desperation, employed by franchises at the bottom of the barrel who have no choice but to throw the new toy into the fire. That strategy is rife with failure and the flameouts of highly talented athletes at the position.

    Having the luxury to draft a player with a perceived high ceiling in the second round and develop him has great long term value to the franchise, and is a far better way to operate than trying to get that blue-chip player in the first round.

    The OP laments the fact that we could be benefitting from a position player who was selected with the pick that was used on Brock, and there is some validity in that thought process given the short window we have with Manning. However, were we to wait to address the position in the post-Manning era, we would likely have to give up picks to get our guy or suffer a couple of years of complete ineptitude to acquire a top 5 pick.

    Being ahead of the curve is a far better way to operate than trying to catch up to it.

    Two points on this:

    Brock signed a 4 yr deal which means theres a chance he may never start a game for the Broncos. If a team offers him more money in 2 years and a chance to start whos to say he wouldnt leave. Which goes back to the point I made earlier. Why draft a backup in the 2nd round when a guy like Lavonte David is on the board? Although, Elway may very well have drafted Hillman there if not for Brock.


    Like any job, Quarterbacks need to hone their craft, and this can really only be done by playing in actual regular season games. IMO! Brock was a 1 yr starter in college and could very well sit for 5 years in the Pros. My point is, this is not the route most pro bowl QBs take. Not to mention, he was showing "slot machine eyes" already last preseason.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kaylore View Post
      Steve Young, Rivers.
      Kurt Warner

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ATL-Eric View Post
        Two points on this:

        Brock signed a 4 yr deal which means theres a chance he may never start a game for the Broncos. If a team offers him more money in 2 years and a chance to start whos to say he wouldnt leave. Which goes back to the point I made earlier. Why draft a backup in the 2nd round when a guy like Lavonte David is on the board? Although, Elway may very well have drafted Hillman there if not for Brock.


        Like any job, Quarterbacks need to hone their craft, and this can really only be done by playing in actual regular season games. IMO! Brock was a 1 yr starter in college and could very well sit for 5 years in the Pros. My point is, this is not the route most pro bowl QBs take. Not to mention, he was showing "slot machine eyes" already last preseason.
        The reason to draft Os was, at the time no one knew what to expect from Peyton. If Peyton came back and he couldn't regain form then Elway had a guy in Brock who could step in. He felt in the event Peyton didn't pan out he had a QB who had potential to be a franchise QB with Peyton playing the part of seasoned veteran and highly paid QB coach to the rookie for a season. Also I believe the general belief was that Peyton had a 3 year window since so many recent contracts were made to expire after next season. So that would mean sitting Os 3 years and have him start year 4. If Peyton can play longer we trade Os to a needy team that believes a Manning taught QB has value.

        In retrospect David would have been a great choice instead, but at the time the Osweiler pick was necessary, especially since there was no interest in continuing the Tebow experiment any longer
        Last edited by BroncoMan4ever; 12-29-2013, 08:37 AM.

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        • #19
          Aaron Rodgers is the best example of a guy sitting and then becoming elite

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          • #20
            Brett Favre sat his rookie year and was sitting his second when Majikowski went down. Eli was sitting until warner sucked it up, much like cutler. Schaub sat on the bench for a few years behind Vick. Mark Brunell & Matt Hasselbeck both sat behind Favre.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ATL-Eric View Post
              Young is a good one but Montana was always hurt.
              Everybody knew that Young would be the future franchise QB because Montana missed games every single year, and Young would step in and play at the same level.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ATL-Eric View Post
                Two points on this:

                Brock signed a 4 yr deal which means theres a chance he may never start a game for the Broncos. If a team offers him more money in 2 years and a chance to start whos to say he wouldnt leave. Which goes back to the point I made earlier. Why draft a backup in the 2nd round when a guy like Lavonte David is on the board? Although, Elway may very well have drafted Hillman there if not for Brock.


                Like any job, Quarterbacks need to hone their craft, and this can really only be done by playing in actual regular season games. IMO! Brock was a 1 yr starter in college and could very well sit for 5 years in the Pros. My point is, this is not the route most pro bowl QBs take. Not to mention, he was showing "slot machine eyes" already last preseason.
                Your whole stance is based on your low opinion of Brock, and the rest is pure conjecture; that we would have found an impact player with that pick, that we won't be able to re-sign Brock, etc. None of the Elite QBs in the league, other than Peyton, were first year starters.

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                • #23
                  Thank you Marty Schottenheimer and Carl Peterson for choosing Grbac over Gannon. Easily one of the greatest Chief blunders in their stunning, decades long fail parade. A move that quite possibly served as the catalyst to the Broncos winning SB32.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dedhed View Post
                    Your whole stance is based on your low opinion of Brock, and the rest is pure conjecture; that we would have found an impact player with that pick, that we won't be able to re-sign Brock, etc. None of the Elite QBs in the league, other than Peyton, were first year starters.
                    This. And Manning has been pretty hurt at times, Brock could've easily had to get called upon.

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                    • #25
                      Mark Rypien

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                      • #26
                        Jeff Hostetler

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                        • #27
                          Doug Flutie

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dedhed View Post
                            Your whole stance is based on your low opinion of Brock, and the rest is pure conjecture; that we would have found an impact player with that pick, that we won't be able to re-sign Brock, etc. None of the Elite QBs in the league, other than Peyton, were first year starters.
                            Peyton is going to play out his contract. Name me a QB that sat the bench his first 5 yrs and went on to become a pro bowler? Go. I dont like that Elway hedged his bets. Sorry.

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                            • #29
                              Warren Moon played CFL initially after having no interest from the NFL.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by frerottenextelway View Post
                                This. And Manning has been pretty hurt at times, Brock could've easily had to get called upon.
                                Manning was hurt once his entire playing career going back to high school. If you give a guy 20 million you dont go and spend your 2nd rounder on the same position.

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