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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by Allen C View Post

    Brady runs pretty much the same offense as Sean Peyton. They scheme WRs open. I'm not taking anything away from Burrow because he still had to execute the offense and he did it well and also had some great tight window throws.

    What I'm saying is that without Brady they would have been running the same offense as 2018 and had the same results. Brady completely changed the way that passing game performed and Burrow would be the first to tell you that.
    I'm not saying the overall production of the offense didn't improve because of Brady. I'm saying that the things Burrow was doing transcend scheme. He was making reads like an NFL quarterback and he was throwing for 70% deep down the field. Those things aren't about scheme. But yeah, no way does Burrow have the numbers he had this year because of accuracy and high level reads alone. That much is true.

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  • Bigdawg26
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    Originally posted by Allen C View Post

    Brady runs pretty much the same offense as Sean Peyton. They scheme WRs open. I'm not taking anything away from Burrow because he still had to execute the offense and he did it well and also had some great tight window throws.

    What I'm saying is that without Brady they would have been running the same offense as 2018 and had the same results. Brady completely changed the way that passing game performed and Burrow would be the first to tell you that.
    Correct. I will tell you that what Brady did was actually use the 4 and 5 star WRs at LSU. It’s like actually driving the hot rod that’s been sitting the garage for years. I give him credit for taking the car out. However, we were ALWAYS loaded with talent at the skill positions but never used them. It was one of the most frustrating things about LSU. It was this old antiquated offense system that I can go on and on about how dumb it was. Literally, it was run left, run right, then a freakin RB screen, and then punt. Look at all the WRs that had solid NFL careers in the NFL but you never heard about them in college.

    However, good for Brady. I wish him the best.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by IndelibleScribe View Post

    No, you claiming the scheme didn't directly help him and that it was his accuracy and improving as a QB is ridiculous. It was the scheme and him improving but if they didn't change the scheme he wouldn't have done what he did.
    Well sure the scheme helped because it was a dynamic passing attack and not a boring 3 yards and cloud of dust running offense. But it didn’t actually improve his accuracy because a scheme has nothing to do with how accurate a QB is. Now if you want to argue that Brady helped coach up his mechanics, which does affect accuracy, okay. That’s not about the scheme though. Mechanics are mechanics.

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  • Allen C
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

    The more likely explanation is that he improved his mechanics and his craft overall. Changing a scheme can only improve completion percentage by using lots of short, easy passes. That isn’t what LSU did with Burrow. Far from it. What you are saying is completely ridiculous.
    Brady runs pretty much the same offense as Sean Peyton. They scheme WRs open. I'm not taking anything away from Burrow because he still had to execute the offense and he did it well and also had some great tight window throws.

    What I'm saying is that without Brady they would have been running the same offense as 2018 and had the same results. Brady completely changed the way that passing game performed and Burrow would be the first to tell you that.

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  • IndelibleScribe
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

    The more likely explanation is that he improved his mechanics and his craft overall. Changing a scheme can only improve completion percentage by using lots of short, easy passes. That isn’t what LSU did with Burrow. Far from it. What you are saying is completely ridiculous.
    No, you claiming the scheme didn't directly help him and that it was his accuracy and improving as a QB is ridiculous. It was the scheme and him improving but if they didn't change the scheme he wouldn't have done what he did.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by IndelibleScribe View Post

    And yet it did. You don't jump from 57.8% completion, 16 TD's and 2,894 yards to 76.3% completion, 60 TD's and 5,671 yards just because you're good.
    The more likely explanation is that he improved his mechanics and his craft overall. Changing a scheme can only improve completion percentage by using lots of short, easy passes. That isn’t what LSU did with Burrow. Far from it. What you are saying is completely ridiculous.

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  • IndelibleScribe
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

    That makes literally no sense. A scheme doesn’t make a QB more accurate.
    And yet it did. You don't jump from 57.8% completion, 16 TD's and 2,894 yards to 76.3% completion, 60 TD's and 5,671 yards just because you're good.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by IndelibleScribe View Post

    The same way Shanahan's scheme turns a ok RB into a 1,000 rusher time and time again.

    It places the player in the best position to succeed due to fitting the scheme. The player excels and the team is better for it.
    That makes literally no sense. A scheme doesn’t make a QB more accurate.

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  • IndelibleScribe
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

    How does the system make him so accurate on all parts of the field? How does the system allow him to pretty much read defenses at an NFL level? That makes no sense.
    The same way Shanahan's scheme turns a ok RB into a 1,000 rusher time and time again.

    It places the player in the best position to succeed due to fitting the scheme. The player excels and the team is better for it.

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  • superbowlman
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    Bengals should have hired him but theyre too cheap

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by Allen C View Post
    Sub par numbers without Brady there then move to the spread offense he was running and your completion percentage jumps 20% , throw for 3,000 more yards and 46 more TDs but the scheme had nothing to do with it.

    If it wasn't for Brady coming in as the passing game consultant then the numbers for Burrow would have looked just like they did in 2018.

    The system definitely made the difference.
    How? How does the system allow him to hit 70% of his deep passes? You guys just aren’t making any sense. An offensive system doesn’t turn an average college quarterback into the greatest college quarterback of all time.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by IndelibleScribe View Post

    No, the system made a huge difference. There is no debating that. Burrow looked average as hell his first year at LSU.
    How does the system make him so accurate on all parts of the field? How does the system allow him to pretty much read defenses at an NFL level? That makes no sense.

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  • IndelibleScribe
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

    No we’re not saying the same thing. I don’t think the scheme matters that much with with Burrow. Obviously you want to have a competent OC and talented teammates, but neither of those things make him insanely accurate or a master of reading defenses (at the college level at least). That’s the result of him transforming himself as a QB.
    No, the system made a huge difference. There is no debating that. Burrow looked average as hell his first year at LSU.

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  • Allen C
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    Sub par numbers without Brady there then move to the spread offense he was running and your completion percentage jumps 20% , throw for 3,000 more yards and 46 more TDs but the scheme had nothing to do with it.

    If it wasn't for Brady coming in as the passing game consultant then the numbers for Burrow would have looked just like they did in 2018.

    The system definitely made the difference.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by Allen C View Post

    Basically we are saying the same thing. The scheme elevated everyones level of play. If I was the Bengals I would have tried to get Brady in as offensive coordinator to stay with Burrow and also draft Justin Jefferson in the 2nd. That offense would get a serious boost with Burrow, Boyd, Jefferson, Ross and Mixon in that same offense that LSU was running which is a little like the NO offense.
    No we’re not saying the same thing. I don’t think the scheme matters that much with with Burrow. Obviously you want to have a competent OC and talented teammates, but neither of those things make him insanely accurate or a master of reading defenses (at the college level at least). That’s the result of him transforming himself as a QB.

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