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  • Why does Sean Payton get the pass that Mike McCarthy did not?

    Mike McCarthy until that last season didn't have any losing seasons. Averaged about 11 wins for 7 seasons with Rodgers. Rodgers was always very productive, so it was not like they didn't have an offense.

    The Saints at some point had back to back to back 7 and 9 seasons despite Brees passing over 5000 yards.

    Mike McCarthy has as many championships as Payton and btw the MVP of the SB that Rodgers won was Charles Woodson, not Rodgers.

    So, why does one get seemingly nothing but respect while the other gets ridicule?


  • #2
    New Orleans is just happy to be competitive. Green Bay expects to win championships.

    Payton has wasted a generational passer by not being able to put together a complete team.

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    • #3
      Twice in 3 years Saints have failed
      where was Thomas yesterday
      Brees fumble
      The minny miracle



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      • #4
        Because Brees and Payton are a package deal- they work together. Rogers was ready for a change from MacCarthy, and he got it.

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        • #5
          Btw, Mike McCarthy is expected to be named the cowboys new head coach.
          Thats a good for for him.

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          • #6
            the Zebra shenanigans cover up a lot of Payton's late game decisions. Yesterday, the saints had time to to win the game in regulation, but played for OT. A questionable push-off for the GW TD is all they will talk about the next 6 months.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by strafen View Post
              Btw, Mike McCarthy is expected to be named the cowboys new head coach.
              Thats a good for for him.
              That’s an upgrade for the Cowboys too.

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              • #8
                Regardless of the blown call against the Rams, Payton mismanaged the game clock at the end of that game and the same happened this time against the Vikings.

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                • #9
                  Payton has just ran his course in NO. no need to worry about specifics. He's been there forever and could never build a D there that could win a game if the O struggled.

                  The guy with all the NFL passing records is going to finish his career with a 50% playoff appearance rate. that's not great.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jmz313 View Post
                    Payton has just ran his course in NO. no need to worry about specifics. He's been there forever and could never build a D there that could win a game if the O struggled.

                    The guy with all the NFL passing records is going to finish his career with a 50% playoff appearance rate. that's not great.
                    maybe it takes more than PASSING to win in the NFL ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CHEF LUIGI View Post

                      maybe it takes more than PASSING to win in the NFL ?
                      It takes more than Offense is the right statement for Sean Payton.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jmz313 View Post

                        It takes more than Offense is the right statement for Sean Payton.
                        Well, ironically it was only when Rodgers had an elite defense in 2010 that he won it. They gave up 15 PPG that year.

                        Then...

                        After the Packers had to pay Rodgers and they lost like 5 players on defense, their defense was never close to that production....they are top 10 PPG this year first time in a while.

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                        • #13
                          To excell as a defensive team you need a complimentary O and ST to make a defensive team work.
                          that means a solid dependable special teams P and kickers top notch, coverage, excellent, return players... electric.


                          It is much easier to assemble a potent QB and a few weapons to make your team competitive and EXCITING for the average fan.

                          put up points, win SOME games, not advance in play-offs where the compettition is more well rounded.

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                          • #14
                            Sean Payton is a great coach and I’d be thrilled if the Broncos had him as HC. Fact is the saints have been screwed by incompetent officiating

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                            • #15

                              I would agree that Sean Payton is likely a bit over-rated as a Head Coach. As others have noted, he has never been able to consistently field a good defense and the Saints have often suffered for it. He has mismanaged some games.

                              The Biggest reason I think he gets a pass is due to the relationship with the QB. Drew Brees struggled and was up and down during his 4 years in San Diego. Between his inconsistency and late season injuries, the Chargers were content to move on from him with Rivers and Miami decided to bet on Dante Culpepper over Brees in free agency. We all laugh at those decisions now, but at the time even knowledgeable personnel people could defend the decisions. Drew Brees became a hall of fame QB under Payton's tutelage, and regardless if he deserves it, Brees has been completely loyal to him ever since.

                              Rodgers had a grudge against McCarthy from day one. Whether he deserves it or not, McCarthy isn't often given much credit for developing Rodgers into an elite QB. Nor is he given much credit for the decision to move on from an ageing Favre and start over with Aaron. And McCarthy did let his system get stale. Those RPO's that took the league by storm in 2010 had grown predictable by 2016. And unlike Sean Payton, he wasn't able to continually refresh the well when it came to offensive talent to surround Rodgers. So, when Rodgers feud with McCarthy eventually reached boiling point, the Packers choose their QB and released a whole lot of unflattering information on McCarthy in a classic character smear move.

                              That, more than anything is likely your difference between the two. Hopefully McCarthy can use the time off to refresh and start clean with a QB that isn't still holding a grudge from the 2005 Draft.

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