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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by jmz313 View Post

    I get what your saying and i agree its all part of a giant painting.

    A talented roster means less when you have poor coaching. look at the 2019 Browns and the Greatest team on paper Eagles from like 10 years ago.

    Great coaches always seem to win no matter what. this is why there is the notion of system players.
    It is also about ownership. Jerry Jones is an interesting example. Plenty of success early on. The fact is though Jimmy Johnson was the voice of that franchise and that did not sit well with Jones. I mean he bragged that he fired Johnson, which did not exactly make him look good considering Johnson had just come off his second super bowl.

    I say all of that cause I think it is rather imperative that there is one unified clear message, and that really should come from the head coach. If the players lose respect for a coach cause they seem as nothing more than a puppet without his own voice, the franchise will not win.

    Is Robert Kraft the voice of the Pats? Do the players see Belichick as a puppet without a voice like the players on the Cowboys look at Garrett?

    It is amazing how well a player performs for a coach when the player has high respect for that coach.

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  • jmz313
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    Originally posted by dsmoot View Post

    Not discounting coaching matters. You are painting with too wide a brush. It can be a significant factor and in other situations it isn't a primary factor. It can be talent around you, too many FO changes (coaches), injury, your personal motivation, etc. There are a number more.
    I get what your saying and i agree its all part of a giant painting.

    A talented roster means less when you have poor coaching. look at the 2019 Browns and the Greatest team on paper Eagles from like 10 years ago.

    Great coaches always seem to win no matter what. this is why there is the notion of system players.

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  • Samiwindr
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    I hope he succeeds with the Titans. Would be awesome to see the, knock the Chiefs out again this year. I hope Trevor Siemian gets another shot and makes something of it too. The skittles jacket alone made him awesome. Players I don’t want to succeed - AB, L Bell, Burfict, Kareem Hunt, Reek, Talib. Would prefer no one like this ever plays for the Broncos. Never wanted Romanowski on our team either.

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  • FlaBroncosFan
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    Originally posted by Broncoblood32 View Post

    Oh, there were good guys too. No doubt. I have met and actually played golf with Joe Namath. Granted, his stats were not great and probably the most overrated person in the hall or whatever, but he is actually a really good person. Very humble. loves talking football, and has a memory like a steal trap. No doubt when he passes there will be an autopsy and cte will be discovered.

    Anyway, pretty sure QBs like Montana and Staubach and Bradshaw were good people too.

    All of that proves is you can be very confident and not arrogant. Humility, unlike how the world teaches it, is not timid. It is actually the purest form of confidence. Btw, not for nothing but Lamar Jackson is displaying a lot of humility too. Elway probably needed to get kicked off his high horse a little and he certainly did when getting humiliated in those 3 SB losses.
    That’s awesome that you had the opportunity to play golf with Namath. He always seemed like a guy that would be fun to drink a couple beers with. I bet he has some good stories.

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  • dsmoot
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    Originally posted by jmz313 View Post
    Coaching matters. its the most important thing for a player.
    Not discounting coaching matters. You are painting with too wide a brush. It can be a significant factor and in other situations it isn't a primary factor. It can be talent around you, too many FO changes (coaches), injury, your personal motivation, etc. There are a number more.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by FlaBroncosFan View Post

    Brett Favre always seemed like a cool guy.
    Oh, there were good guys too. No doubt. I have met and actually played golf with Joe Namath. Granted, his stats were not great and probably the most overrated person in the hall or whatever, but he is actually a really good person. Very humble. loves talking football, and has a memory like a steal trap. No doubt when he passes there will be an autopsy and cte will be discovered.

    Anyway, pretty sure QBs like Montana and Staubach and Bradshaw were good people too.

    All of that proves is you can be very confident and not arrogant. Humility, unlike how the world teaches it, is not timid. It is actually the purest form of confidence. Btw, not for nothing but Lamar Jackson is displaying a lot of humility too. Elway probably needed to get kicked off his high horse a little and he certainly did when getting humiliated in those 3 SB losses.

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  • underrated29
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    I never thought tanny was all that. Still dont. But it's fun to see him balling right now.

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  • FlaBroncosFan
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    Originally posted by Broncoblood32 View Post

    I heard stuff like that here. It would probably surprise people how many QBs have been arrogant idiots. Even to teammates. Greg Jennings had some interesting things to say about Aaron Rodgers and I have had a bad opinion about him since hearing how he treats his own family. Almost like the Patrick Reed of football.

    Dan Marino had a horrible reputation believe it or not and you can add Jim Kelly to that list. Elway came in as arrogant and spoiled as anyone in the history of the league.

    It is easy to not like or cheer for a jack wagon like Tannehill or a cutler type.
    Brett Favre always seemed like a cool guy.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by Aztec Bronco View Post
    https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...ctice-are-just

    Miami is a black hole but I could never root for this clown.
    I heard stuff like that here. It would probably surprise people how many QBs have been arrogant idiots. Even to teammates. Greg Jennings had some interesting things to say about Aaron Rodgers and I have had a bad opinion about him since hearing how he treats his own family. Almost like the Patrick Reed of football.

    Dan Marino had a horrible reputation believe it or not and you can add Jim Kelly to that list. Elway came in as arrogant and spoiled as anyone in the history of the league.

    It is easy to not like or cheer for a jack wagon like Tannehill or a cutler type.

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  • gyldenlove
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    I think this highlights a number of things, in no particular order: the long learning curve of the QB position, the danger of doing statistics on a small data sample, the replacement-effect (When a coach or player is basically unknown and opposition teams do not know what to expect and how to attack).

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  • Aztec Bronco
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    If I'm the Titans, I'm either franchising him or trying to get him on a deal I can get out of in 2021.

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  • ZONA
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    Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
    It’s always been about health more so than skill for Tannehill. The guy can ball out. But has to be healthy to do it.

    He’s going to get a nice contract.
    Or he could be a Foles type, where he looks brilliant in short stretches.

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  • Aztec Bronco
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    https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...ctice-are-just

    Miami is a black hole but I could never root for this clown.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Miami did a **** job of helping the guy when he was there, and he also had a lot of injuries. He’d probably not be doing nearly as good if he was still at Miami rather than with the Titans. What I don’t understand about the Dolphins is that it looked like they were wanting to tank for a QB when they let Tannehill go, only to start winning meaningless games and hand Burrow to the Bengals.

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