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Right off the bat, O'Sullivan says something really stupid in that video. On the first play he analyzes, Lock threw the ball inside away from the corner, and therefore the corner didn't have a shot at it. Beyond that I think he had fair criticisms, but I also think it's coming from a guy who lacked the physical talent to succeed without perfect mechanics. Lock doesn't have that limitation. Certainly Lock needs to clean up a lot of stuff to be great, and not just another Cutler or maybe Stafford (two guys guilty of complacency due to arm talent).
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View PostRight off the bat, O'Sullivan says something really stupid in that video. On the first play he analyzes, Lock threw the ball inside away from the corner, and therefore the corner didn't have a shot at it. Beyond that I think he had fair criticisms, but I also think it's coming from a guy who lacked the physical talent to succeed without perfect mechanics. Lock doesn't have that limitation. Certainly Lock needs to clean up a lot of stuff to be great, and not just another Cutler or maybe Stafford (two guys guilty of complacency due to arm talent).
lost me there.
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Originally posted by v2micca View PostWell, this one does throw a little bit of cold water on the party. JT O'sullivan put up his review of Drew Locks second game. And while he was very complimentary of Lock in his first match-up against the changers, he is much more Bearish on his outlook based on Drew's tape against the Texans.
And the thing is, while I think he does get a little nit-picky with some of his criticisms, he does bring up some good points regarding Locks footwork, timing and holding Defensive Backs with his eyes that he will need to clean up.
Wow. Amazing how when you get the perspective of a guy who is unbiased and understands what he's seeing it really changes the way you look at it. I haven't watched the whole thing yet but what I've watched so far has tempered my enthusiasm a good bit. The Cutler comps are concerning. Got away with a lot of mistakes that turned into positive plays. Hmm. I guess we'll know more after this week's game.
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View PostRight off the bat, O'Sullivan says something really stupid in that video. On the first play he analyzes, Lock threw the ball inside away from the corner, and therefore the corner didn't have a shot at it. Beyond that I think he had fair criticisms, but I also think it's coming from a guy who lacked the physical talent to succeed without perfect mechanics. Lock doesn't have that limitation. Certainly Lock needs to clean up a lot of stuff to be great, and not just another Cutler or maybe Stafford (two guys guilty of complacency due to arm talent).
He manipulates the pocket, buying time on numerous throws vs HOU then throws just before he gets hit, falling away because he can.
He has the arm to do it and there’s nothing wrong with it.
O'Sullivan is just seeing a guy who can do everything he could only wish to do as a pro.
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Originally posted by v2micca View PostWell, this one does throw a little bit of cold water on the party. JT O'sullivan put up his review of Drew Locks second game. And while he was very complimentary of Lock in his first match-up against the changers, he is much more Bearish on his outlook based on Drew's tape against the Texans.
And the thing is, while I think he does get a little nit-picky with some of his criticisms, he does bring up some good points regarding Locks footwork, timing and holding Defensive Backs with his eyes that he will need to clean up.
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Originally posted by socalorado View Post
Lock is always going to throw off platform and make plays on the move without perfect mechanics cause he can. He’s physically gifted to be able to do it.
He manipulates the pocket, buying time on numerous throws vs HOU then throws just before he gets hit, falling away because he can.
He has the arm to do it and there’s nothing wrong with it.
O'Sullivan is just seeing a guy who can do everything he could only wish to do as a pro.
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
Being able to throw off platform is great when it's needed. Doing it when you have a clean pocket and should just be using proper mechanics is not great, no matter who you are. In my opinion, Lock's biggest issues right now are staring down receivers and sometimes not using proper footwork when he has a chance to (sometimes he does, so it's clear he knows what he should do). Two games in the guy looks like a potential stud, but it's silly to dismiss totally valid criticisms. Obviously he still has A LOT of work to do.
But, O Sullivan is nit picky and a bit overboard in that Lock actually buys time with his feet manipulating the pocket and then throws off platform a bit at times and there is nothing wrong with it. He’s working with some bad O linemen. It was his 2nd start FFS, He’ll clean it up.
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Originally posted by TonyR View Post
"If I'm a DB and I'm playing the Broncos this week, I'm pretty excited."
Wow. Amazing how when you get the perspective of a guy who is unbiased and understands what he's seeing it really changes the way you look at it. I haven't watched the whole thing yet but what I've watched so far has tempered my enthusiasm a good bit. The Cutler comps are concerning. Got away with a lot of mistakes that turned into positive plays. Hmm. I guess we'll know more after this week's game.
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
Being able to throw off platform is great when it's needed. Doing it when you have a clean pocket and should just be using proper mechanics is not great, no matter who you are. In my opinion, Lock's biggest issues right now are staring down receivers and sometimes not using proper footwork when he has a chance to (sometimes he does, so it's clear he knows what he should do). Two games in the guy looks like a potential stud, but it's silly to dismiss totally valid criticisms. Obviously he still has A LOT of work to do.
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Originally posted by socalorado View Post
I’m not saying he should do it just to do it. Their are bad habits he needs to clean up.
But, O Sullivan is nit picky and a bit overboard in that Lock actually buys time with his feet manipulating the pocket and then throws off platform a bit at times and there is nothing wrong with it. He’s working with some bad O linemen. It was his 2nd start FFS, He’ll clean it up.
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Originally posted by socalorado View Post
Lock is always going to throw off platform and make plays on the move without perfect mechanics cause he can. He’s physically gifted to be able to do it.
He manipulates the pocket, buying time on numerous throws vs HOU then throws just before he gets hit, falling away because he can.
He has the arm to do it and there’s nothing wrong with it.
O'Sullivan is just seeing a guy who can do everything he could only wish to do as a pro.
20 years ago the phrase "off platform didnt even exist in discribing QB play.
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
Being able to throw off platform is great when it's needed. Doing it when you have a clean pocket and should just be using proper mechanics is not great, no matter who you are. In my opinion, Lock's biggest issues right now are staring down receivers and sometimes not using proper footwork when he has a chance to (sometimes he does, so it's clear he knows what he should do). Two games in the guy looks like a potential stud, but it's silly to dismiss totally valid criticisms. Obviously he still has A LOT of work to do.
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Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
Your enthusiasm is tempered? Rofl...Tony sometimes you really crack me up. Lock's started two whole games! And while he had valid criticisms, the notion Lock got lucky a bunch in that game is laughable. The first big pass to Fant was perfectly placed to the inside, and the corner had no shot on it. He definitely wasn't lucky there, and I would say most of the "luck" claims are very dubious because they fail to account for Lock's arm strength allowing him to put balls in places a guy like O'Sullivan never could. I think the mechanical criticisms are 100% valid, but his talk of luck is pretty silly.
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