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  • I remember the author James Ellroy saying when he lived in KC, he used to take his dog to George Brett’s house to take a **** on his lawn every day. Ellroy lives in Denver now.

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    • Originally posted by Brohemoth View Post

      And I don't live in Denver. KC is the toilet of the country.

      Mahomes is a winner. KC would and will be irrelevant AGAIN without him.
      Don't give a shi t where you live. Your opinion and fifty cents will get you a cheap cup of coffee.

      KC was kicking the cheatos ass with Alex Smith, too. And your team is irrelevant NOW.
      Last edited by Tges58; 08-04-2020, 04:54 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Aztec Bronco View Post
        I remember the author James Ellroy saying when he lived in KC, he used to take his dog to George Brett’s house to take a **** on his lawn every day. Ellroy lives in Denver now.
        And his dog is ****ting on elways lawn now

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        • ESPN fantasy projections are out today. They have Lock 22nd among QB. 3500 yds passing, 22 TD and 11 INT. ......Jimmy Garropolo was in the SB last year, so there is always hope I guess.

          Point being here....this is right in line with what Vegas had earlier this year...it's a rough spot because of Covid....you guys are going to have to win alot of games D and running alot.

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          • And your an idiot

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            • Originally posted by oubronco View Post
              And your an idiot
              Yes....clearly, I am.

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              • Broncos fans may not be that irrational about Drew Lock

                1) Denver fans have earned the right to be overexcited. It's been a challenge for the Football Cognoscenti to fire off a quarterback take this offseason without an orange-and-blue avi jumping into the mentions with some variation of "WHAT ABOUT DREW LOCK?" Pity the writer who suggests a sample size larger than five games is needed before declaring Lock a superstar.

                I get it, though. Before Denver snatched up Lock in the second round last year, this was the list of quarterbacks drafted by the franchise since Jay Cutler: Tom Brandstater, Tim Tebow, Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert, Trevor Siemian, Paxton Lynch and Chad Kelly. The Peyton Manning era was beautiful, but it's been a long time since the Broncos have had a promising young quarterback to call their own. And those five games were enough for an unbiased observer to jump on board.

                I was ambivalent about Lock's short stint before re-watching all of his snaps. The schedule was favorable and his best box-score game was largely the product of disastrous Texans defense. Beyond the numbers, however, were a lot of impressive traits. Broncos GM John Elway still would have been better off signing a legitimate veteran backup when they were so cheap this offseason, but Lock earned Elway's trust in December.

                2) Lock was a revelation under pressure. Explaining away Lock's success by his schedule doesn't hold up under scrutiny when you watch the games or examine the numbers. The poor defenses that Lock faced were still better than the lousy Broncos offensive line. Out of 39 PFF qualifiers, Lock faced pressure at the 14th-highest rate per dropback despite an offense with virtually no vertical passing element. Yet no quarterback in the entire NFL had a lower sack rate per pressure than Lock. Yep, he was even better at avoiding sacks than veterans allergic to hitting the ground like Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

                This trait showed up on tape repeatedly. Lock's offensive line lost quickly and he'd avoid negative plays by scrambling, dumping the ball off or throwing it away.

                A quarterback's athleticism is only valuable if he has the instincts to use it well. Even if Lock's knowledge of the playbook and protection schemes was lacking, he kept his offense on schedule like a veteran. In situations where Joe Flacco would take sack after sack, Lock made something happen or avoided something terrible happening. It's one of the toughest traits for a quarterback to learn and could be a huge part of Lock's repertoire if it sticks.

                3) Lock made his teammates better. Rookie quarterbacks stand out just by blending in. Lock did more than that, improving the players around him after 11 games of lackluster quarterback play.

                The offensive line is the most obvious group that looked better with Lock behind center, but the big guys weren't alone. Tight end Noah Fant played like a future Pro Bowler after Lock took over. Little-used receiver DaeSean Hamilton became a consistent producer in the final weeks. Lock's mobility unlocked some creativity in the Broncos' running game, while the line had to appreciate all those sacks he avoided. Two of the three best Broncos performances in offensive efficiency (Football Outsiders' DVOA metric) came during Lock's short run. While they came against lackluster defenses, it's not like Denver didn't play plenty of mediocre defenses in the first 11 weeks. Lock was the biggest difference in the results.

                4) But what about that schedule? The two best defenses that Lock faced were the Chargers and Chiefs, both mediocre outfits. He didn't play particularly well in either game, including one in the snow in Arrowhead where Lock made some amazing throws early before transitioning to full rookie "screw it" mode in the second half.

                If you are inclined to doubt Lock's 2019 five-game sprint, there are better areas to question than the schedule. There was a lot of confusion and wristband checking while he learned the Broncos' offense, something to keep in mind as he tries to learn another new system without much practice time this year. Denver is strangely confident that coordinator Pat Shurmur is going to be Lock's Sean McVay despite a decade-plus of mediocre results from Shurmur's passing games. Lock's starts were the first time all year the Broncos' offense made sense and now they have to start over.

                Lock also had a tendency to drift in the pocket, his footwork sometimes hurting his accuracy. The fact that he struggled to go through his reads quickly -- if at all -- was typical for a rookie, but that spells out just how new this entire Broncos offense will be in 2020. Lock will be learning a new system alongside Fant and rookie receivers Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler. Elway said he's tempering expectations for his rookies, which sounds about right during a pandemic. Few teams should be hurt more by the lack of practice time before the season than Denver, which is so lacking in veterans. The Broncos are putting a lot on their talent -- starting with Lock's gifts -- to carry them, because it's unlikely they are going to have a schematic advantage.

                5) Seriously, those tools. Amazing throws are amazing throws, no matter which team they come against. Lock's pure arm strength ranks among the 10 best in football. His pretty throws, often deep outs, are particularly pretty. I'm susceptible to falling for style points from players with big arms -- Hello, Jay Cutler!! -- but Lock's mixing of speeds was a great sign. Many of his best throws were over routes where he showed deft touch. His short and intermediate passes were too solid to validate the Blake Bortles comp that one Lock doubter hit me with.

                If anything, the Broncos didn't use Lock's arm enough. Among QBs who started at least four games, only Jimmy Garoppolo threw deep (20-plus yards in the air, per PFF) last season on a smaller percentage of passes than Lock. That was partly because of Denver's quick-throw scheme and poor pass protection, which Lock mitigated with his creativity. Making something out of nothing is a prerequisite for young NFL quarterbacks, and Lock's arm strength helped him create on the move plenty. He can throw from a variety of arm angles and made a number of quality throws while on the move to his left, usually the toughest pass for a right-hander.

                The tools are there. Lock and his coaches just need to figure out how to use them, which they did a better job of in his last two starts against the Lions and Raiders. The Detroit game was a great litmus test because it was the one full game in which he was protected well. I graded it as his best game by far, as did PFF. In fact, Lock ended up with the best average grade in his last five starts of any rookie or second-year quarterback that I studied this offseason. (Lamar Jackson was notably not included.)

                Taking advantage of spotless protection doesn't make a quarterback special, but it is a prerequisite to have a long career as a starter. The trail of failed Broncos quarterback prospects wouldn't have thrived so early in that situation, much less in all the other ugly spots Lock was placed in during his five-game rehearsal. Who can blame Denver fans for dreaming -- and online screaming -- about what Lock could accomplish when he gets more help?

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                • Originally posted by Zerovoltz View Post
                  ESPN fantasy projections are out today. They have Lock 22nd among QB. 3500 yds passing, 22 TD and 11 INT. ......
                  ESPN's projections for Mahomes in 2018: 4041 yards, 21 TD, 15 INT.

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                  • 🐴🐓🔒 😎🚬

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                    • Lock better get ready to run a lot. Bolles and Wilkinson? Yikes

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                      • You don't know that!

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                        • Originally posted by Omnipicus View Post
                          Lock better get ready to run a lot. Bolles and Wilkinson? Yikes
                          He’s good under pressure and has reinforcements. It should be interesting!

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                          • Originally posted by Omnipicus View Post
                            Lock better get ready to run a lot. Bolles and Wilkinson? Yikes
                            Same tackles he had last year. Better o line and supporting cast this year.
                            I think he'll be fine.

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