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  • I think you mean Paradis.

    All Matt did was start every game anchoring that Super Bowl O-line in 2015. Started all 16 the next two years until the ankle injury. I don't know how bad the injury was but John couldda cut him a little slack.


    Cooper Carlisle started every raiders game for 6 years after we let him go, and Lichtensteiger started 5 or 6 years for the Redskins after we cut him, although Shanny was the head coach there and he drafted Kory.

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    • Make of it what you will, but McGovern is rated a fair bit higher than Paradis this year by PFF. Yes, I know, PFF is not really reliable, but it’s still interesting.

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      • Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
        Make of it what you will, but McGovern is rated a fair bit higher than Paradis this year by PFF. Yes, I know, PFF is not really reliable, but it’s still interesting.
        May be fair, I lost interest in the Panthers after Cam went down and haven't watched much of them recently. He was playing really well early in the year at least but wouldn't be surprised if he dropped off especially given their QB situation.

        That said Mcgovern is really pretty good as a pass blocker. His run blocking stinks but now that we have Lock he has a lot more value than he did previously.

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        • Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
          Make of it what you will, but McGovern is rated a fair bit higher than Paradis this year by PFF. Yes, I know, PFF is not really reliable, but it’s still interesting.
          That is interesting. I always thought McGovern was a bust-in-waiting cuz they sat him for what, two years?

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          • Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
            Make of it what you will, but McGovern is rated a fair bit higher than Paradis this year by PFF. Yes, I know, PFF is not really reliable, but it’s still interesting.

            its going to come down what the number is for McGovern. I dont think he is worth being paid paradis or even close to that money.

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            • Denver is not in a position to continually be rotating Oline based on cost.

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              • Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post

                That is interesting. I always thought McGovern was a bust-in-waiting cuz they sat him for what, two years?
                No, he was a classic developmental prospect. The kind that use to be pretty common place in the NFL. Currently, if you were taken in the first 4 rounds and aren't getting pro-bowl consideration by your third year, you are considered a bust. McGovern was always in interesting one to me, because he had crazy lower body strength. Just go look up some of his squat videos where he is putting up insane amounts of weight. But, his technique was raw and under developed, so he couldn't translate that strength to on-field production. I actually liked him best as a left guard during his limited play time there. Still, after a really rough start, he had transitioned into a decent center for us. Not good enough to break the bank on. But, if he can be signed to a reasonable deal I would say prioritize RG and the Tackles over him.

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                • McGovern and Risner are what they should be building on. He’s not all world but he’s dependable enough. Leary is done. Both ends are done. Wilkerson is decent depth. Bolles Needs to go When that contract is up. No 5th option at all. One thing that could salvage him is if he’s moved to Leary’s spot in this final attempt and shows improvement. The holding penalties could go down inside. He will always be a dunce at LT

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                  • Originally posted by kappys View Post

                    Paradis is the only one I regret, at $9 mil PA he would have been well worth it and I won't be surprised if we end up paying Mcgovern something similar for lower quality play.

                    Beadles only made the pro bowl once, as an alternate with the Broncos. Ben Garland, Schofield, and Sambraillo are still playing too but are any of them really better than Bolles or even Wilkinson?
                    How well has Paradis played this year?

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                    • Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post
                      I think you mean Paradis.

                      All Matt did was start every game anchoring that Super Bowl O-line in 2015. Started all 16 the next two years until the ankle injury. I don't know how bad the injury was but John couldda cut him a little slack.


                      Cooper Carlisle started every raiders game for 6 years after we let him go, and Lichtensteiger started 5 or 6 years for the Redskins after we cut him, although Shanny was the head coach there and he drafted Kory.
                      Elway had to make a call. If we had cut Paradis some slack and he didn't recover from the injury to be what he was before, Elway would have been criticized to no end. He went with the recommendation of the doctors and hopefully not just the internal guys because they aren't specialists. Then you had to weigh where they projected McGovern (and pay) vs Paradis.

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                      • Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post

                        That is interesting. I always thought McGovern was a bust-in-waiting cuz they sat him for what, two years?
                        Most guys coming put of college usually need a year or two to strengthen up and learn the position before they are ready to play in the NFL.

                        The ones like Risner who out of the gate play well are the exception, not the rule. That was another really good get in the 2nd for Elway.

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                        • Originally posted by dsmoot View Post
                          Reasonable to question his injury past. I would like to hear Schlereth weigh on this injury and the ability to play on it. He certainly fought through a significant amount of issues and still played. Don't like it but not ready to give up on him. There seems to be no middle ground here with all the expertise that is commenting.
                          Tyler Polumbus isn't comfortable with the bashing of James, fwiw. He's not excusing or exonerating him, but he's saying with injuries you just don't know and that it isn't really fair to bash the guy without knowing what he's going through.

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                          • Originally posted by TonyR View Post

                            Tyler Polumbus isn't comfortable with the bashing of James, fwiw. He's not excusing or exonerating him, but he's saying with injuries you just don't know and that it isn't really fair to bash the guy without knowing what he's going through.
                            I tore up my knee in a dirt bike accident a few years ago, after the surgery the doctors medically cleared me to go back to my warehouse job. I still get wobbly in that knee sometimes even years later, and random steps drop me as it feels like I got stabbed.

                            I'm not saying JJ's situation is the same at all, I'm just saying medically cleared and ready to go are not always the same thing. While my job was pretty physical, it's nowhere near what a OT goes through.

                            He might be a giant p*****. He might just need some time to heal and get right. Either way he's likely not going anywhere next year, so I'm hoping he will get healthy and be able to contribute.

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                            • Julius Thomas did the same thing.


                              this med staff has been the worst in football over the years IMO. They’ve ****ed up a lot of players. Several took to outside doctors instead.

                              Brandon Marshall and Al Wilson will go as some of the worst. Cutler went a full season without even getting diabetic treatment after constantly showing symptoms and approaching the staff. Greek telling him “it’s just rookie fatigue” is among the worst diagnosis through these years.

                              so James May be soft, but I don’t blame him for questioning a horrendous med team.

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                              • Originally posted by Powderaddict View Post

                                I tore up my knee in a dirt bike accident a few years ago, after the surgery the doctors medically cleared me to go back to my warehouse job. I still get wobbly in that knee sometimes even years later, and random steps drop me as it feels like I got stabbed.

                                I'm not saying JJ's situation is the same at all, I'm just saying medically cleared and ready to go are not always the same thing. While my job was pretty physical, it's nowhere near what a OT goes through.

                                He might be a giant p*****. He might just need some time to heal and get right. Either way he's likely not going anywhere next year, so I'm hoping he will get healthy and be able to contribute.

                                Yeah, could be we just had another example of **** luck with filling the position. James was a solid player that took a bad hit and was pretty much lost for the season. It sucks, but **** happens. Right now we can only hope that he can be healthy for the 2020 season because we are paying him regardless if he plays or not. I would go ahead and draft a pair of OTs in the first 3 rounds of the draft and start preparing for the possibility of needing a replacement sooner than later.

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