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  • Someone needs to explain getting rid of the solid players to get draft picks.

    This league sucks and I have been saying the HARD cap is a piece of **** for a while now. Someone needs to explain how if and when the Broncos trade away Chris Harris among others for draft picks is logical in any way to us fans. Free up money?

    Great.

    More proof how pathetic the league is for fans. So, they get rid of the only things that gives this team any hope and then they have an entire team to get rather than filling the spots that are the biggest need.

    So, the Broncos get rid of their best corner, probably going to get rid of Von Miller. Now what? That makes sense to you? So they can get a bunch of draft picks so they can use to get a pass rusher, a corner, a WR, along with the things that the team didn't have? Then in 4 years, IF THOSE DRAFT PICKS WERE GOOD, they need to get rid of half of them to make room for the HARD CAP.. BTW, anyone here have any appreciation how difficult it is to land a great corner or a great edge rusher? I think behind QB that an outstanding edge rusher is the next most important commodity to have.

    So, wtf am I not getting about this crap?

  • #2
    The Patriots win Lombardi's in part because they get rid of guys a year early instead of a year too late.

    You are making business decisions based off sentiment and that is when you get in trouble.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Beantown Bronco View Post
      The Patriots win Lombardi's in part because they get rid of guys a year early instead of a year too late.

      You are making business decisions based off sentiment and that is when you get in trouble.
      Something we can agree on. I'd add the difference between the stars and their backups isn't that great. They all run, they all catch... Very few are truly in their own space.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OmegaBronco13 View Post

        Something we can agree on. I'd add the difference between the stars and their backups isn't that great. They all run, they all catch... Very few are truly in their own space.
        Yup and when they are in their own space it is fleeting. More important to have a solid system with players that fit within it.

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        • #5
          We’re not in a Ring window and have contract heavy aging vets that other teams need... get younger, stockpile talent and depth...

          the Harris and Miller era in Denver is over, it’s been a great one, but let’s refrain from sentiment when thinking of what’s best for the franchise

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          • #6
            From my perspective, the players that you know are good Broncos right now... Chris Harris, Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, (Emanuel fit into this context as well) are all over 30. The Broncos are at least two years away from being competitive and that is IF Lock starts to show that he has what it takes to run an NFL offense. It doesn't appear they are in a hurry to play Lock this year, so you're looking more at 2023 to be competitive. Harris, Miller, Wolfe, etc will all be on the downturn in their careers (could argue they are already there right now). So conventional wisdom says you should get what you can for them right now and invest in the youth movement that will be relevant for when the Broncos are more competitive.

            Some teams can turn it around very quickly. The Rams from a few years ago are great examples. But they had a few things really going for them. #1 a Franchise QB who was drafted #1 overall the year prior. #2 an extremely talented defense. #3 Cap room- which they used to address Left Tackle and WR (Whitworth, Woods, Cooks). The QB position will continue to haunt Denver until they figure out a solution. That is one of the reasons Elway keeps trying to find a veteran QB because a rookie takes time to develop. The cold-stark truth is staring them in the face with regard to where the team is but the Broncos front office refuses to acknowledge it and thinks they are competitive with the roster they have now. The youth movement should have started two years ago. At that time they could have gotten two firsts for Von (my favorite player BTW), potentially a first for Harris, a 2nd or 3rd for DT (healthy at the time), a 2nd or 3rd for Emanuel.

            Look at it this way, the Dolphins, Giants and Raiders will all be more competitive and sooner than the Broncos because they were able to see that they needed the youth movement.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by B-Large View Post
              We’re not in a Ring window and have contract heavy aging vets that other teams need... get younger, stockpile talent and depth...

              the Harris and Miller era in Denver is over, it’s been a great one, but let’s refrain from sentiment when thinking of what’s best for the franchise
              Yes, this!!!

              Well said

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              • #8
                To answer the OP: They're UFA's who probably aren't coming back next year. Why wouldn't you get as much as you can for them now? Not to mention the fact that Sanders explicitly asked to be traded. And Von Miller is not going anywhere so not sure why you brought him up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Beantown Bronco View Post
                  The Patriots win Lombardi's in part because they get rid of guys a year early instead of a year too late.

                  You are making business decisions based off sentiment and that is when you get in trouble.
                  Well, they happen to win it because they get great QB production for pretty cheap price.

                  The Pats won their first three SBs with an elite defense. Bradys first 4 seasons 10 and 0 in the playoffs and 3 rings. Didn't pass for 4000 yards or 30TDs in any of the SB winning seasons.

                  Then...

                  The Pats had to pay Brady top dollar. They got rid of key defensive players. Really beginning with Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Richard Seymour among others. The next 10 seasons, Brady put up his best statistical numbers of his career. Their defense ranked in the mid 20s. No longer elite. They went 9 and 8 in the playoffs and no rings.

                  Then.....

                  In 2014 Brady restructured his contract. He became the 17th highest paid QB in the NFL. Osweiler made more per year. The Pats went out and signed key defensive players like Revis. Their defense ranked in top 10 for the first time in years. They win it on a defensive play.

                  So.....

                  We as fans can sit and wait for some QB to be that productive for a discounted price, or wait for some lucky little window where lightening in a bottle can be caught. Cause right now that is all this league's system realistically allows.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Broncoman13 View Post
                    From my perspective, the players that you know are good Broncos right now... Chris Harris, Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, (Emanuel fit into this context as well) are all over 30. The Broncos are at least two years away from being competitive and that is IF Lock starts to show that he has what it takes to run an NFL offense. It doesn't appear they are in a hurry to play Lock this year, so you're looking more at 2023 to be competitive. Harris, Miller, Wolfe, etc will all be on the downturn in their careers (could argue they are already there right now). So conventional wisdom says you should get what you can for them right now and invest in the youth movement that will be relevant for when the Broncos are more competitive.

                    Some teams can turn it around very quickly. The Rams from a few years ago are great examples. But they had a few things really going for them. #1 a Franchise QB who was drafted #1 overall the year prior. #2 an extremely talented defense. #3 Cap room- which they used to address Left Tackle and WR (Whitworth, Woods, Cooks). The QB position will continue to haunt Denver until they figure out a solution. That is one of the reasons Elway keeps trying to find a veteran QB because a rookie takes time to develop. The cold-stark truth is staring them in the face with regard to where the team is but the Broncos front office refuses to acknowledge it and thinks they are competitive with the roster they have now. The youth movement should have started two years ago. At that time they could have gotten two firsts for Von (my favorite player BTW), potentially a first for Harris, a 2nd or 3rd for DT (healthy at the time), a 2nd or 3rd for Emanuel.

                    Look at it this way, the Dolphins, Giants and Raiders will all be more competitive and sooner than the Broncos because they were able to see that they needed the youth movement.
                    The youth movement already started. Denver is an extremely young team actually. The average age is 26, and only 6 players over 30. Harris, Von, Flacco, Leary and Jackson. Flacco and Leary will be gone soon, maybe Harris. Von will be worth keeping for at least 3 more seasons, and that would still make Denver one of the youngest teams in the league.

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                    • #11
                      OP seems mad. Focus your anger St Elway.
                      Hes caused this mess.
                      Also, Von and Harris are on the wrong side of 30.

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                      • #12
                        It’s pretty simple, if you’re losing, have an aging player on an expiring contract who won’t be on the team next year, trade them and get a draft pick that will help the team next year.

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                        • #13
                          It’s all about talent identification (scouting), development, and salary allocation management. We can’t do anything of the three with perhaps with third being our strongest. The Pats do all 3 well.

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                          • #14
                            I don’t think it’s that hard to figure out: this team is at a stage where they aren’t going to win anything with players like Harris, Wolfe, or even Miller. Those guys will be big contracts out of their prime before this team is ready to compete.

                            Better to get draft capital, allow them to move on, than waste their remaining years.

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                            • #15
                              All the people advocating getting rid of the players, Von falls into your category.


                              It’s time after next year to part ways with him. Next season could be his last here.

                              this losing season streak has only begun.

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