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  • CHEF LUIGI
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    Originally posted by OABB View Post
    We would be 7-0 with sloter or Tebow
    if you are going to bump a thread, you might as well quote the defining post !

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  • Gutless Drunk
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    Flacco

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  • ColoradoDarin
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    Originally posted by socalorado View Post

    Wonder why the HC never noticed this all night and maybe mentioned it to the o coordinator.
    You saw it. I saw it. How in the [email protected]$)omg hell did the o coordinator or HC not adapt or change ever. Or even have a convo at half time and change. To the point where Flacco flat out was just mailing the game in. Hell even Aikman was laughing at the unprofessional, lazy totally uninterested play of the offense.
    Its because they quit. And when an entire side of the football just up and literally quits, it’s time to look at the coaching staff really closely.
    And who hired the coaching staff. The guy who drafted and hired these guys. He needs to go.
    Period.
    I'll back off my criticism a little bit after seeing some of the videos posted in the Flacco Sucks thread, He flat out MISSED several open receivers. So I don't know how much an OC can do with that playing QB. I do think the play calling wasn't that great, but QB is a bigger issue.

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  • socalorado
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    Originally posted by ColoradoDarin View Post

    Yes. We were going to run, run, incomplete/sack, punt all night no matter what the defense was showing. Terrible play calling. I want to give Scangarello some time to grow, but this is Football 101. They had all 11 guys within 8 yards of the LOS most of the night and we would run right into it, instead of making them pay.
    Wonder why the HC never noticed this all night and maybe mentioned it to the o coordinator.
    You saw it. I saw it. How in the [email protected]$)omg hell did the o coordinator or HC not adapt or change ever. Or even have a convo at half time and change. To the point where Flacco flat out was just mailing the game in. Hell even Aikman was laughing at the unprofessional, lazy totally uninterested play of the offense.
    Its because they quit. And when an entire side of the football just up and literally quits, it’s time to look at the coaching staff really closely.
    And who hired the coaching staff. The guy who drafted and hired these guys. He needs to go.
    Period.

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  • bronco militia
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    The OL has been awful since the 2015 season, but so has the QB. At least Peyton could get the team in the best play possible and audible.

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  • ColoradoDarin
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    Originally posted by iforgotmypassword View Post
    It’s Flacco. There are only 5 Olinemen. It’s the qb’s job to recognize a blitz even when that blitz is once in awhile. Chiefs brought 7 every single play. Flacco never once recognized this. He literally never put it together that they were bringing the house, he just sat there and took it and though he could out wiggle 8professional athletes.

    The play calling is also at fault way more than the Oline. When people blitz a lot you have to burn them for it. This is basic football that was never realized last night.
    Yes. We were going to run, run, incomplete/sack, punt all night no matter what the defense was showing. Terrible play calling. I want to give Scangarello some time to grow, but this is Football 101. They had all 11 guys within 8 yards of the LOS most of the night and we would run right into it, instead of making them pay.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by iforgotmypassword View Post
    It’s Flacco. There are only 5 Olinemen. It’s the qb’s job to recognize a blitz even when that blitz is once in awhile. Chiefs brought 7 every single play. Flacco never once recognized this. He literally never put it together that they were bringing the house, he just sat there and took it and though he could out wiggle 8professional athletes.

    The play calling is also at fault way more than the Oline. When people blitz a lot you have to burn them for it. This is basic football that was never realized last night.
    Yes this.

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  • ColoradoDarin
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    Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
    I’d cut Flacco tomorrow. He’s a sunk cost. Not only is playing him pointless, it’s so ****ing boring
    Flacco has got me to Orton levels - it's not hate, it's indifference. It'll be nice to have a couple of weekends off from watching. I'll turn it back on when Lock is starting.

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  • TonyR
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    Neither answer is wrong, they're both awful. Flacco sucks, and wouldn't be very good even with great protection. But our O-line wouldn't be good enough for most QB's and has to be fixed. Unless you put a Wilson or Watson behind it. And even then you'd like it to be better. If you want to develop Lock you have to protect him.

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  • spdirty
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    There’s no multiple choice option, so I didn’t vote.

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  • iforgotmypassword
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    It’s Flacco. There are only 5 Olinemen. It’s the qb’s job to recognize a blitz even when that blitz is once in awhile. Chiefs brought 7 every single play. Flacco never once recognized this. He literally never put it together that they were bringing the house, he just sat there and took it and though he could out wiggle 8professional athletes.

    The play calling is also at fault way more than the Oline. When people blitz a lot you have to burn them for it. This is basic football that was never realized last night.

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  • Hugh Jasole
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    1 - Ownership
    2 - Elway
    3 - Scangs
    4 - hang my head after every failed 3rd down Flacco
    5 - OL

    In that order

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  • jmz313
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    Originally posted by Broncoblood32 View Post
    The opposing defenses are treating Flacco like a first year inexperienced QB. Meaning, watch closely. The opposing defenses are often rushing 5, and they are not even disguising the blitzes. They are showing it, and that should for any experienced QB (that is getting paid like that) should immediately identify it. Either call out or go to the hot routes baked into the play. Watch, as you see those hot routes are there to be taken. Instead he holds onto the ball. If the rush does not get to him, he then desperately tries to dump it or gets sacked or worse. BTW, checking down is different than going to hot routes on 5 man rushes. It is a deliberate act and the hot route is actually the first option on a 5 man rush. The check down is the last option.

    I pointed out that the Pats actually have worse problems on their OL. The Seahawks also have and have had major OL problems and somehow those QBs overcome it. You still cannot rush 5 men at Brady without getting burned. Russell Wilson, despite losing his best WR due retirement and still a really bad OL, is the highest rated QB in the NFL. They both play with a lot of passion and team absolutely rallies behind them.

    ****ing Flacco does not even generate perspiration. I said this last week and finally Aikman pointed it out (constantly) and that was basically his first look at that pathetic offense. He could not believe how ****ing lethargic that piece of **** is. Flacco's hair looks perfectly combed. He OFFERS NOTHING!!!!!

    You guys think this is about the line? I would say the coaching before the OL. Everyone knew the Chiefs were going to do everything to not be run on. Everyone knew they would stack the line with 8 men in the box and they went with 9 men. Yet, this coaching staff saw fit to run into that wall? Did Flacco have the ability to audible and loosen up the 9 man fronts?
    agreed overall... but Flacco has never been a Manning or Brady with his OL and calls at the line. He counts on his OC... Scangs can't get it done. Flacco will be benched. Scangs won't get it done for Lock.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    The opposing defenses are treating Flacco like a first year inexperienced QB. Meaning, watch closely. The opposing defenses are often rushing 5, and they are not even disguising the blitzes. They are showing it, and that should for any experienced QB (that is getting paid like that) should immediately identify it. Either call out or go to the hot routes baked into the play. Watch, as you see those hot routes are there to be taken. Instead he holds onto the ball. If the rush does not get to him, he then desperately tries to dump it or gets sacked or worse. BTW, checking down is different than going to hot routes on 5 man rushes. It is a deliberate act and the hot route is actually the first option on a 5 man rush. The check down is the last option.

    I pointed out that the Pats actually have worse problems on their OL. The Seahawks also have and have had major OL problems and somehow those QBs overcome it. You still cannot rush 5 men at Brady without getting burned. Russell Wilson, despite losing his best WR due retirement and still a really bad OL, is the highest rated QB in the NFL. They both play with a lot of passion and team absolutely rallies behind them.

    ****ing Flacco does not even generate perspiration. I said this last week and finally Aikman pointed it out (constantly) and that was basically his first look at that pathetic offense. He could not believe how ****ing lethargic that piece of **** is. Flacco's hair looks perfectly combed. He OFFERS NOTHING!!!!!

    You guys think this is about the line? I would say the coaching before the OL. Everyone knew the Chiefs were going to do everything to not be run on. Everyone knew they would stack the line with 8 men in the box and they went with 9 men. Yet, this coaching staff saw fit to run into that wall? Did Flacco have the ability to audible and loosen up the 9 man fronts?

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  • jmz313
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    Originally posted by Bigdawg26 View Post

    How many offensive coordinators do we have to go through to realize it’s the personnel group and not the coaching? That’s a serious question. The offense has looked stagnant in four systems now with Kubiak, McCoy, Musgrave, and now Scags.
    again you are worrying about total Offense. The first and foremost part of calling an O is protecting the Ball and QB... Kubes, McCoy, Musgrave all could adjust and keep the QB from getting murdered. Scangs has not idea how to.

    we've had new players every season as well. new QBs. 2 wrongs don't make a right either. Kubiak got TS a pro bowl nod, and he should of never made the active roster.

    Musgrave could probably coach to flacco's strengths better than he could keenum.

    So, what personnel, specifically, are you blaming each season on? super curious.

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