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  • #46
    It's the QB..

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    • #47
      Originally posted by BroncosfanGuy View Post
      How about the front office thats been trying to fix the oline and find a franchise qb for like half a decade?
      Half a decade to find a franchise QB is nothing. Other franchises have been suffering far longer than us and would laugh at the idea of half a decade for a franchise QB being a long wait. Hell in our own division you have the Queefs. The AFC East outside of NE have been looking for almost 20 years now. Cleveland, Tennessee ever since McNair left, Jags after what, Mark Brunell? Redskins, Bears, etc etc. Half a decade is nothing.

      The answer is the OL. Many times Flacco cannot even get set or attempt to drive the ball downfield because he simply doesn’t have time. He made some great throws last night when given time. He hit Fant for what should have been two huge plays and he dropped them both.

      Flacco can play better, he needs to protect the ball better and throw it away more, but at this point does it really matter? The line can’t block anyone.

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      • #48
        Flacco is the main problem. He has zero pocket awareness and his decisions when and when not to move around are almost always the wrong move. He steps up when he should step back/exit, he steps back when he should step up.

        The line isn't great, but a lot of those sacks come down to Flacco's decision making.

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        • #49
          Trick Question... the OC is the first issue to deal with. then the Oline. Flacco stinks but i'm pretty sure the plan back in july wasn't to expect Flacco to go Mike Vick on opposing Ds. Maybe, just maybe we get some type of QB protection established before Lock replaces slow joe.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by jmz313 View Post
            Trick Question... the OC is the first issue to deal with. then the Oline. Flacco stinks but i'm pretty sure the plan back in july wasn't to expect Flacco to go Mike Vick on opposing Ds. Maybe, just maybe we get some type of QB protection established before Lock replaces slow joe.
            How many offensive coordinators do we have to go through to realize it’s the personnel group and not the coaching? That’s a serious question. The offense has looked stagnant in four systems now with Kubiak, McCoy, Musgrave, and now Scags.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ChampJesusBailey View Post

              Half a decade to find a franchise QB is nothing. Other franchises have been suffering far longer than us and would laugh at the idea of half a decade for a franchise QB being a long wait. Hell in our own division you have the Queefs. The AFC East outside of NE have been looking for almost 20 years now. Cleveland, Tennessee ever since McNair left, Jags after what, Mark Brunell? Redskins, Bears, etc etc. Half a decade is nothing.

              The answer is the OL. Many times Flacco cannot even get set or attempt to drive the ball downfield because he simply doesn’t have time. He made some great throws last night when given time. He hit Fant for what should have been two huge plays and he dropped them both.

              Flacco can play better, he needs to protect the ball better and throw it away more, but at this point does it really matter? The line can’t block anyone.
              This is an honest assessment imho. Flacco isn’t PFM for sure and he does ha e some real head scratchers but the OL was terrible and it really didn’t matter who was behind center. Not spreading the D out with close formations didn’t help Joe either.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bigdawg26 View Post

                How many offensive coordinators do we have to go through to realize it’s the personnel group and not the coaching? That’s a serious question. The offense has looked stagnant in four systems now with Kubiak, McCoy, Musgrave, and now Scags.
                again you are worrying about total Offense. The first and foremost part of calling an O is protecting the Ball and QB... Kubes, McCoy, Musgrave all could adjust and keep the QB from getting murdered. Scangs has not idea how to.

                we've had new players every season as well. new QBs. 2 wrongs don't make a right either. Kubiak got TS a pro bowl nod, and he should of never made the active roster.

                Musgrave could probably coach to flacco's strengths better than he could keenum.

                So, what personnel, specifically, are you blaming each season on? super curious.

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                • #53
                  The opposing defenses are treating Flacco like a first year inexperienced QB. Meaning, watch closely. The opposing defenses are often rushing 5, and they are not even disguising the blitzes. They are showing it, and that should for any experienced QB (that is getting paid like that) should immediately identify it. Either call out or go to the hot routes baked into the play. Watch, as you see those hot routes are there to be taken. Instead he holds onto the ball. If the rush does not get to him, he then desperately tries to dump it or gets sacked or worse. BTW, checking down is different than going to hot routes on 5 man rushes. It is a deliberate act and the hot route is actually the first option on a 5 man rush. The check down is the last option.

                  I pointed out that the Pats actually have worse problems on their OL. The Seahawks also have and have had major OL problems and somehow those QBs overcome it. You still cannot rush 5 men at Brady without getting burned. Russell Wilson, despite losing his best WR due retirement and still a really bad OL, is the highest rated QB in the NFL. They both play with a lot of passion and team absolutely rallies behind them.

                  ****ing Flacco does not even generate perspiration. I said this last week and finally Aikman pointed it out (constantly) and that was basically his first look at that pathetic offense. He could not believe how ****ing lethargic that piece of **** is. Flacco's hair looks perfectly combed. He OFFERS NOTHING!!!!!

                  You guys think this is about the line? I would say the coaching before the OL. Everyone knew the Chiefs were going to do everything to not be run on. Everyone knew they would stack the line with 8 men in the box and they went with 9 men. Yet, this coaching staff saw fit to run into that wall? Did Flacco have the ability to audible and loosen up the 9 man fronts?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Broncoblood32 View Post
                    The opposing defenses are treating Flacco like a first year inexperienced QB. Meaning, watch closely. The opposing defenses are often rushing 5, and they are not even disguising the blitzes. They are showing it, and that should for any experienced QB (that is getting paid like that) should immediately identify it. Either call out or go to the hot routes baked into the play. Watch, as you see those hot routes are there to be taken. Instead he holds onto the ball. If the rush does not get to him, he then desperately tries to dump it or gets sacked or worse. BTW, checking down is different than going to hot routes on 5 man rushes. It is a deliberate act and the hot route is actually the first option on a 5 man rush. The check down is the last option.

                    I pointed out that the Pats actually have worse problems on their OL. The Seahawks also have and have had major OL problems and somehow those QBs overcome it. You still cannot rush 5 men at Brady without getting burned. Russell Wilson, despite losing his best WR due retirement and still a really bad OL, is the highest rated QB in the NFL. They both play with a lot of passion and team absolutely rallies behind them.

                    ****ing Flacco does not even generate perspiration. I said this last week and finally Aikman pointed it out (constantly) and that was basically his first look at that pathetic offense. He could not believe how ****ing lethargic that piece of **** is. Flacco's hair looks perfectly combed. He OFFERS NOTHING!!!!!

                    You guys think this is about the line? I would say the coaching before the OL. Everyone knew the Chiefs were going to do everything to not be run on. Everyone knew they would stack the line with 8 men in the box and they went with 9 men. Yet, this coaching staff saw fit to run into that wall? Did Flacco have the ability to audible and loosen up the 9 man fronts?
                    agreed overall... but Flacco has never been a Manning or Brady with his OL and calls at the line. He counts on his OC... Scangs can't get it done. Flacco will be benched. Scangs won't get it done for Lock.

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                    • #55
                      1 - Ownership
                      2 - Elway
                      3 - Scangs
                      4 - hang my head after every failed 3rd down Flacco
                      5 - OL

                      In that order

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                      • #56
                        It’s Flacco. There are only 5 Olinemen. It’s the qb’s job to recognize a blitz even when that blitz is once in awhile. Chiefs brought 7 every single play. Flacco never once recognized this. He literally never put it together that they were bringing the house, he just sat there and took it and though he could out wiggle 8professional athletes.

                        The play calling is also at fault way more than the Oline. When people blitz a lot you have to burn them for it. This is basic football that was never realized last night.

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                        • #57
                          There’s no multiple choice option, so I didn’t vote.

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                          • #58
                            Neither answer is wrong, they're both awful. Flacco sucks, and wouldn't be very good even with great protection. But our O-line wouldn't be good enough for most QB's and has to be fixed. Unless you put a Wilson or Watson behind it. And even then you'd like it to be better. If you want to develop Lock you have to protect him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
                              I’d cut Flacco tomorrow. He’s a sunk cost. Not only is playing him pointless, it’s so ****ing boring
                              Flacco has got me to Orton levels - it's not hate, it's indifference. It'll be nice to have a couple of weekends off from watching. I'll turn it back on when Lock is starting.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by iforgotmypassword View Post
                                It’s Flacco. There are only 5 Olinemen. It’s the qb’s job to recognize a blitz even when that blitz is once in awhile. Chiefs brought 7 every single play. Flacco never once recognized this. He literally never put it together that they were bringing the house, he just sat there and took it and though he could out wiggle 8professional athletes.

                                The play calling is also at fault way more than the Oline. When people blitz a lot you have to burn them for it. This is basic football that was never realized last night.
                                Yes this.

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