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  • Trade Flacco to pittsburgh

    They are all in with needing a quarterback. They have two 4's and don't own their 1st 2nd or 3rd round picks.

    We maybe able to get back more then what we paid for him

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    There season is done. You are right though they have nothing at QB. Their 4th string QB played better than Rudolph who isnt gonna make it in this league.

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    • #3
      Flacco became untradeable after the Broncos added dead money to his contract. He will carry a $23.65M cap number in 2020 with $13.6M in dead money. Why would the Steelers absorb this contract with Roethlisberger coming back next season?

      At this point, the Steelers already accepted the idea of getting some high draft picks and reload for the 2020 season. However, they traded their 1st-round pick to the Dolphins for Minkah Fitzpatrick. A questionable move, to say the least.

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      • #4
        Flacco is the least of our issues. If the D had shown up in the previous games we would now be 3-2.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
          Flacco became untradeable after the Broncos added dead money to his contract. He will carry a $23.65M cap number in 2020 with $13.6M in dead money. Why would the Steelers absorb this contract with Roethlisberger coming back next season?

          At this point, the Steelers already accepted the idea of getting some high draft picks and reload for the 2020 season. However, they traded their 1st-round pick to the Dolphins for Minkah Fitzpatrick. A questionable move, to say the least.
          Actually that should make him tradeable since the signing bonus would have to be paid by us meaning he would only made around 800k/game for the rest of the season. WE would have to accomodate the signing bonus under the cap this year though which would require restructuring someone else to open up space.

          Not that it will happen but if Pitt wants to send us what they have left of next years draft I say go for it and sign Sloter off the Cards PS to run the show.

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          • #6
            Quite aside from the cap logistics I think the Flacco restructure indicates the team sees him as the QB for this year and starting the next at the very least, so this has no way of happening. Quite aside from the fact that Brandon Allen is your starting QB the day after the trade comes, if we don't want inexplicable game-killing interceptions to also become a regular feature of Lock's game (as it seems to be with Flacco currently) we would be better off giving him a little more time to develop - and the assumption here is that if Flacco is traded then basically Lock gets thrown in there the minute he's healthy.

            I understand the temptation to want to move on from Flacco but we need to make sure we have a better option before we do. Fans are allowed to give up on a season after week 5 but there's no way a brand new coaching staff or our GM should.....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post
              Flacco is the least of our issues. If the D had shown up in the previous games we would now be 3-2.
              The Flacco hate is weird here. I mean I’m not a Flacco fan but I have been watching the games and he has probably been one of our best players this season.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by OABB View Post

                The Flacco hate is weird here. I mean I’m not a Flacco fan but I have been watching the games and he has probably been one of our best players this season.
                Yeah... Just the fact that he doesn't drift back 13 yards before getting sacked like Keasum and Trev is a bonus. then sometimes he throws some nice strikes. Not a world beater but if we stop calling those dumb boot legs against a great top tier DE he should be looking like a top 12 QB.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OABB View Post

                  The Flacco hate is weird here. I mean I’m not a Flacco fan but I have been watching the games and he has probably been one of our best players this season.
                  I completely agree. Also not a fan, but his play has been solid. If you listen to people talk about it any place other than the Mane, they agree. And as Gaff said, this team should be 3-2 right now. Two losses aided by two BS roughing calls.

                  Now the monkey is off their back. It will be interesting to see how they go forward. The Titans can be had...

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                  • #10
                    I don't hate him and I do often feel compelled to defend him such is the swell of hatred we see here on the mane, but overall he's not great. His passer rating is currently at 90, which would have been all pro when I first started watching the NFL in the late 80s but these days is only good enough for 21st out of 28 QBs with 100 or more attempts this season. Top-ten Qbs have passer ratings in excess of 100 these days. Yes I know passer rating is not the whole story but its the only metric we really have for comparing QB performance accross the league.

                    That said, I do feel he's an upgrade over Keenum in a number of ways, some of them more tangible than others, and I also feel that his current contract is reasonable value when you compare it to his peers - his is 15th highest contract in the league in terms of annual average value - a little high perhaps - but not extortionate, and he does have a superbowl ring and 11 years as a starting QB on his resume.

                    Overall he's exactly what I hoped he would be: A solid vet, who can keep the offense humming as long as everything around him is also working well, and who provides a reasonable bar for any young draftee coming in to beat to take the job. He's not great, he's just OK, which is fine. We're spoiled for QBs here as we've had two of the best ever to play for us but they don't grow on trees, and people who are expecting manning-level play from any vet that comes in are insane.

                    If you don't like Flacco then fine, but tell us what you would have done if you were Elway. I've asked this before and although its not a rhetorical question - I really want to know - no-one has ever answered it, because - newsflash - there really were no better options out there. You could say start Lock but even before he was injured he was raw, and probably did need a year on the bench to be even serviceable.

                    Maybe Teddy Bridgewater …...that's the only guy out there I kinda wished we'd at least kicked the tyres on. But he is/was not a slam-dunk by any stretch if the imagination so I'm certainly not going to throw a fit over it.....

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                    • #11
                      Yes. Dump Flaccid on whoever will take him. Play the young QBs and develop them, Flacco is a mid tier qb on his best day.

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                      • #12
                        2019 Regular Season NFL Leaders

                        RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
                        1 Dak Prescott, DAL 24.1 26.3 5.4 0.7 35.2 198 84.8 80.8
                        2 Patrick Mahomes, KC 25.5 32.4 5.2 1.1 41.8 229 82.9 79.8
                        3 Russell Wilson, SEA 20.4 23.2 3.5 0.6 33.1 204 80.4 76.8
                        4 Deshaun Watson, HOU 17.7 22.4 6.7 0.7 37.5 216 76.2 70.9
                        5 Daniel Jones, NYG 8.1 5.2 8.9 0.5 18.6 144 68.8 66.8
                        6 Carson Wentz, PHI 13.7 24.8 0.7 3.0 31.2 213 71.3 65.1
                        7 Lamar Jackson, BAL 10.4 11.1 11.1 0.7 28.0 235 65.2 63.7
                        8 Matthew Stafford, DET 9.8 17.5 2.7 0.5 25.0 171 69.2 63.2
                        9 Tom Brady, NE 6.9 15.9 0.0 2.2 20.8 207 61.6 63.1
                        10 Matt Ryan, ATL 8.2 17.1 1.2 1.8 25.9 265 60.8 62.7
                        RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
                        11 Joe Flacco, DEN 5.2 13.4 0.9 0.4 21.5 196 59.2 60.2
                        12 Aaron Rodgers, GB 3.3 14.8 1.8 1.1 22.6 220 55.4 56.8
                        13 Kyle Allen, CAR 2.2 7.7 -0.5 1.2 12.3 109 57.2 54.2
                        14 Gardner Minshew II, JAX -2.1 8.9 1.3 0.3 16.0 207 46.4 51.6
                        15 Jimmy Garoppolo, SF 0.7 10.5 -3.0 1.6 10.0 102 52.4 51.2
                        16 Kyler Murray, ARI 4.1 10.2 9.5 -0.6 25.6 257 55.7 51.2
                        17 Derek Carr, OAK 0.1 15.9 -3.4 0.5 15.1 191 50.3 50.9
                        18 Jacoby Brissett, IND 2.1 10.1 5.1 3.0 21.4 214 53.5 50.4
                        19 Philip Rivers, LAC 3.4 17.1 -0.8 2.2 23.8 227 55.3 49.3
                        20 Jameis Winston, TB -2.9 9.0 -0.7 0.3 15.9 213 45.2 47.1
                        RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
                        21 Mason Rudolph, PIT -1.7 5.9 0.4 0.7 8.4 109 44.6 46.8
                        22 Case Keenum, WSH -2.1 6.5 0.1 -0.2 9.8 163 45.5 46.4
                        23 Jared Goff, LAR -4.7 18.6 -3.5 0.6 19.2 266 43.8 44.3
                        24 Josh Rosen, MIA -3.0 0.7 -0.2 1.3 4.5 104 39.9 43.2
                        25 Teddy Bridgewater, NO -4.3 8.8 -2.9 -0.6 9.3 154 40.1 42.0
                        26 Baker Mayfield, CLE -4.9 5.3 -0.1 0.4 10.6 173 40.2 41.3
                        27 Marcus Mariota, TEN -8.7 -1.7 1.3 0.9 9.6 201 35.2 37.1
                        28 Josh Allen, BUF -10.2 6.0 -0.5 -0.0 11.5 229 34.7 37.0
                        29 Kirk Cousins, MIN -6.7 2.1 0.1 1.1 7.4 163 35.9 35.8
                        30 Andy Dalton, CIN -14.8 4.4 -3.6 0.6 7.7 246 29.9 35.0
                        RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
                        31 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI -7.5 1.8 -0.9 1.0 5.1 135 31.3 34.6
                        32 Cam Newton, CAR -8.8 5.0 -6.6 0.3 1.3 104 23.1 19.9
                        33 Luke Falk, NYJ -17.2 -8.2 0.0 -0.2 -4.3 98 7.7 10.3
                        Glossary

                        • * Season Leaders: On pace for 320 action plays.
                        • * All-time data reflects 2006 onwards.
                        • PTS ADDED: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.
                        • PASS: Clutch-weighted expected points added on plays with pass attempts.
                        • RUN: Clutch-weighted expected points added through rushes.
                        • PENALTY: Clutch-weighted expected points added on penalties.
                        • TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.
                        • QB PLAYS: Plays on which the QB has a non-zero expected points contribution. Includes most plays that are not handoffs.
                        • RAW QBR: Total Quarterback Rating, which values quarterback on all play types on a 0-to-100 scale.
                        • TOTAL QBR: Opponent adjusted QBR.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chrisp View Post
                          If you don't like Flacco then fine, but tell us what you would have done if you were Elway. I've asked this before and although its not a rhetorical question - I really want to know - no-one has ever answered it, because - newsflash - there really were no better options out there. You could say start Lock but even before he was injured he was raw, and probably did need a year on the bench to be even serviceable.
                          Many people have answered that question since the day of the Flacco trade and the answer is obvious. Save a ton of money and a 4th round pick and keep the equally talented Keenum. We are already on the hook for a year of Keenum dead money, it would have made more sense to let hi finish out his contract while we transition to Lock. Then Keenum's deal would expire after this year and Lock would ideally remain the starter allowing us to go acquire a vet backup. Potentially even re-signing Keenum for cheap.

                          With Keenum instead of Flacco, we would save almost 30m in cap space over 2019-2020, have an extra 4th rounder, be right around the same place record-wise and still gearing up for Lock to take over around week 9 just like we are now.

                          You mention Flacco's passer rating amongst QBs with over 100 attempts. The only QBs worse off than Flacco in that regard are Dalton, Goff, and a slew of rookie/1st year players. Keenum sits two places above Flacco.
                          Last edited by Papa-pwn; 10-07-2019, 07:18 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OABB View Post

                            The Flacco hate is weird here. I mean I’m not a Flacco fan but I have been watching the games and he has probably been one of our best players this season.
                            That's because there's no shortage of an unhealthy obsession with next years draft around here. every year.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OmegaBronco13 View Post

                              That's because there's no shortage of an unhealthy obsession with next years draft around here. every year.
                              Which is what happens when you don't have a good football team we are 1-4 our season is over if a team like Pittsburgh who has no draft picks and 3rd string qb wants to trade some mid round picks to make a run why not?

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