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  • TomServo
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    Being as objective as a Chiefs fan can be....just based on performance alone, you'd want to fire VJ...but as myself and others have pointed out before....WHO would take this job in its current state? ....ask yourselves what hot coaching candidate would WANT to take over a team that is not guaranteed to be able to draft a QB, in what is not a great QB class anyhow...and the only sure thing at QB on the roster Case Keesum.....WHO? You all just kind of assume the Broncos job is on par with Cleveland or even Green Bay right now...it isn't. You are in QB hell. Free agents won't want to sign. Coaches won't want to be there.

    If VJ is fired.....I would be willing to bet some bucks that you end up with DAVE TOUB. Toub is a guy ready to be a head coach, who knows he isn't ever going to be on the top of many lists...he'd take the Denver job in a heartbeat. (I would hope he stays in KC...very good special teams coach)

    ....What about this job right now is appealing and to whom does it appeal?
    Because, as I stated on another thread..... We are the Mother f kin' Denver Broncos. Our last Superbowl wasn't when half the country had a black and white tube tv. We go to Superbowls. If a coach wants to go to a perennial Loser- Jets, Bills, Browns, Raiders...ETC... that's their prob.

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  • Orange_pride77
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    Originally posted by Zerovoltz View Post
    Being as objective as a Chiefs fan can be....just based on performance alone, you'd want to fire VJ...but as myself and others have pointed out before....WHO would take this job in its current state? ....ask yourselves what hot coaching candidate would WANT to take over a team that is not guaranteed to be able to draft a QB, in what is not a great QB class anyhow...and the only sure thing at QB on the roster Case Keesum.....WHO? You all just kind of assume the Broncos job is on par with Cleveland or even Green Bay right now...it isn't. You are in QB hell. Free agents won't want to sign. Coaches won't want to be there.

    If VJ is fired.....I would be willing to bet some bucks that you end up with DAVE TOUB. Toub is a guy ready to be a head coach, who knows he isn't ever going to be on the top of many lists...he'd take the Denver job in a heartbeat. (I would hope he stays in KC...very good special teams coach)

    ....What about this job right now is appealing and to whom does it appeal?
    True. The job isn’t the most appealing in the league. Especially hot candidates. You need to keep in mind that it isn’t like there are an unlimited amount of coaching vacancies every season. The job will be appealing to some if even a very small pool of candidates. I definitely think Toub is an interesting possibility.

    Free agents will sign if they’re shown the money. That’s generally where it starts and ends. Winning is important, but 99% of NFL players are looking for a payday 1st and foremost.

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  • Zerovoltz
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    Being as objective as a Chiefs fan can be....just based on performance alone, you'd want to fire VJ...but as myself and others have pointed out before....WHO would take this job in its current state? ....ask yourselves what hot coaching candidate would WANT to take over a team that is not guaranteed to be able to draft a QB, in what is not a great QB class anyhow...and the only sure thing at QB on the roster Case Keesum.....WHO? You all just kind of assume the Broncos job is on par with Cleveland or even Green Bay right now...it isn't. You are in QB hell. Free agents won't want to sign. Coaches won't want to be there.

    If VJ is fired.....I would be willing to bet some bucks that you end up with DAVE TOUB. Toub is a guy ready to be a head coach, who knows he isn't ever going to be on the top of many lists...he'd take the Denver job in a heartbeat. (I would hope he stays in KC...very good special teams coach)

    ....What about this job right now is appealing and to whom does it appeal?

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  • orange crusher
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    Originally posted by Ratboy View Post
    Ellis did not overrule Elway on firing Joseph. He only overruled him on hiring Shanahan. Elway could have fired Joseph, but decided to give him another shot.
    He overruled Elway on replacing radio with Shanahan, which would have resulted in the firing of radio. Essentially, he did just that. We really don’t know if Elway had other options or if he was forced to keep him for financial reasons.

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  • Big Cheeze
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    Originally posted by SoullessGinger View Post
    Well he didn't learn from hiring Fox, until proven otherwise, Elway hasn't learned to not hire losers.
    Fox gets a bad rap for his tenure here. He was not the flashy choice, but was the right choice for that time. He was a steadying hand and the player's coach the team needed after the McDaniels debacle.

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  • Pogo
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    Originally posted by orange crusher View Post
    I think the chances of Elway walking away are greater than Radio staying. Elway didn’t want him back last year but was overruled by Ellis. Elway isn’t dumb and can see how terrible radio is. You can bet he is every bit as pi$$ed as we are.
    Ellis did not overrule Elway on firing Joseph. He only overruled him on hiring Shanahan. Elway could have fired Joseph, but decided to give him another shot.

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  • Pogo
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    Originally posted by SoullessGinger View Post
    Well he didn't learn from hiring Fox, until proven otherwise, Elway hasn't learned to not hire losers.
    Losers? Both Fox and Kubiak were excellent hires at the right time. Both went to the Super Bowl, with Kubiak winning it.

    Unfortunately, down the road, Fox ended up being a quitter.

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  • SoullessGinger
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    Well he didn't learn from hiring Fox, until proven otherwise, Elway hasn't learned to not hire losers.

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  • orange crusher
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    Originally posted by SoullessGinger View Post
    So did Ellis make Elway hire JV in the first place? That would make me feel better, at the same time Elway should tell Ellis to pound sand.
    I didn’t say that and I put all of the blame on Elway for hiring a guy that didn’t have the resume to become the db coach or defensive coordinator, let alone the head coach. Hopefully, he has learned from that and doesn’t let Kubiak and Russell influence his decision.

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  • SoullessGinger
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    Originally posted by orange crusher View Post
    I think the chances of Elway walking away are greater than Radio staying. Elway didn’t want him back last year but was overruled by Ellis. Elway isn’t dumb and can see how terrible radio is. You can bet he is every bit as pi$$ed as we are.
    So did Ellis make Elway hire JV in the first place? That would make me feel better, at the same time Elway should tell Ellis to pound sand.

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  • orange crusher
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    I think the chances of Elway walking away are greater than Radio staying. Elway didn’t want him back last year but was overruled by Ellis. Elway isn’t dumb and can see how terrible radio is. You can bet he is every bit as pi$$ed as we are.

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  • go_broncos
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    If VJ is retained, i think it's better to look for a new ownership.

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  • R8R H8R
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    Originally posted by qbronco View Post
    I think it’s a foregone conclusion VJ will be terminated. Legwold (like the other Broncos reporters) is running out of interesting tidbits to write about.
    Yes, this is correct. Legwold is only writing a story that gives two sides of the coin. Nowhere in there does he say that VJ will, or will not, be fired. Privately, he prolly believes that VJ is Dead Man Walking, but that isn’t the purpose of the article. The article is just what you said, he doesn’t have any better of a subject to write about right now.

    But how OP or anyone else can read that article and actually worry that it has any weight whatsoever in Elway’s decision is beyond me.

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  • qbronco
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    I think it’s a foregone conclusion VJ will be terminated. Legwold (like the other Broncos reporters) is running out of interesting tidbits to write about.

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