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Originally posted by CEH View PostAll Lamar Jackson has done is play error free football for the only team in the playoff hunt. The pressure Lamar is under is 100x more than the other guys who if they get a win is happy if they lose still happy
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Originally posted by CEH View PostAll Lamar Jackson has done is play error free football for the only team in the playoff hunt. The pressure Lamar is under is 100x more than the other guys who if they get a win is happy if they lose still happy
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Originally posted by TonyR View Post<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a "lock" for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>— Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Oh it's Baker. He has completely revitalized an organization, a fanbase, and on top of that, he's really good. I like his arm, and of course, the dude has got the mojo.
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you can't spell b-a-r-k-l-e-y without b-a-k-e-r so that should answer your questions.
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Originally posted by TonyR View PostWhy? It's perception. Mayfield being really good has had far more impact on the Browns than Barkley being really good has had on the Giants. So the tide has shifted from Barkley being the obvious choice to... maybe not. Not hard to understand or figure out, really.
baker has done more for his team than barkley.
Not sure thats how the voters will look at it, but regardless both are great aquisitions for their teams and I dont think either is the wrong choice.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think this is a big, huge smash spot for Saquon Barkley in Week 17. Home game. Against DAL backups. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> probably want to *show off* Barkley with him losing steam in OROY discussion to Baker Mayfield. They want to look *right" with that pick & end it on a good note.</p>— Nick Mensio (@NickMensio) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/1077989388024336384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Originally posted by TonyR View PostWhy? It's perception. Mayfield being really good has had far more impact on the Browns than Barkley being really good has had on the Giants. So the tide has shifted from Barkley being the obvious choice to... maybe not. Not hard to understand or figure out, really.
Barkley has had a superlative year by any standard - historic even. Mayfield has had a good year for a rookie QB but it still is about the 15th or so best QB season this year.
I guess if you are grading on the curve then QB is harder to play but, once again, that is not the award.
It seems the tweet you quoted conflated a lot of thing that did not belong together like ROY, positional value and "the right pick" (while tossing in Darnold)
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Originally posted by Gutless Drunk View PostWhy would positional value enter into ROY? It's the best rookie, not the most valuable.
I would still go Saquon as he has had a a rare season with 1198 yards and 87 receptions for 688 yards - 14 total TD's. That's exceptional for a non-rookie.
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Originally posted by TonyR View Post<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a "lock" for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>— Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I would still go Saquon as he has had a a rare season with 1198 yards and 87 receptions for 688 yards - 14 total TD's. That's exceptional for a non-rookie.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a "lock" for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>— Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB <a href="https://twitter.com/bakermayfield?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bakermayfield</a> has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week!<br><br>RT to congratulate Baker! <a href="https://t.co/G5HsVFJ7Ht">pic.twitter.com/G5HsVFJ7Ht</a></p>— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1077934592542142465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Originally posted by TonyR View PostHe's been better this year, yes. But it won't surprise me if Darnold, who is only 21, ends up being the better player.
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