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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by Gutless Drunk View Post
    It's not a "most valuable rookie" or "correct pick" award. It's the best rookie.
    And yet how often do OL win OROY?

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  • TonyR
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    Originally posted by CEH View Post
    All Lamar Jackson has done is play error free football for the only team in the playoff hunt. The pressure Lamar is under is 100x more than the other guys who if they get a win is happy if they lose still happy
    I'm not sure what your point is. You think LJ should be in the OROY conversation? He just hasn't played in enough games.

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  • SoullessGinger
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    Originally posted by CEH View Post
    All Lamar Jackson has done is play error free football for the only team in the playoff hunt. The pressure Lamar is under is 100x more than the other guys who if they get a win is happy if they lose still happy
    Wins don't matter as much as his low wonderlic score

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  • CEH
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a &quot;lock&quot; for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>&mdash; Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    All Lamar Jackson has done is play error free football for the only team in the playoff hunt. The pressure Lamar is under is 100x more than the other guys who if they get a win is happy if they lose still happy

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  • HorseHead
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    Oh it's Baker. He has completely revitalized an organization, a fanbase, and on top of that, he's really good. I like his arm, and of course, the dude has got the mojo.

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  • CHEF LUIGI
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    you can't spell b-a-r-k-l-e-y without b-a-k-e-r so that should answer your questions.

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  • CHEF LUIGI
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    Why? It's perception. Mayfield being really good has had far more impact on the Browns than Barkley being really good has had on the Giants. So the tide has shifted from Barkley being the obvious choice to... maybe not. Not hard to understand or figure out, really.
    you make a good argument for most VALUABLE rookie.
    baker has done more for his team than barkley.
    Not sure thats how the voters will look at it, but regardless both are great aquisitions for their teams and I dont think either is the wrong choice.

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  • Broncos23
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/st...hing-need-know

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  • TonyR
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think this is a big, huge smash spot for Saquon Barkley in Week 17. Home game. Against DAL backups. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> probably want to *show off* Barkley with him losing steam in OROY discussion to Baker Mayfield. They want to look *right&quot; with that pick &amp; end it on a good note.</p>&mdash; Nick Mensio (@NickMensio) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/1077989388024336384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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  • Gutless Drunk
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    Why? It's perception. Mayfield being really good has had far more impact on the Browns than Barkley being really good has had on the Giants. So the tide has shifted from Barkley being the obvious choice to... maybe not. Not hard to understand or figure out, really.
    It's not a "most valuable rookie" or "correct pick" award. It's the best rookie.

    Barkley has had a superlative year by any standard - historic even. Mayfield has had a good year for a rookie QB but it still is about the 15th or so best QB season this year.

    I guess if you are grading on the curve then QB is harder to play but, once again, that is not the award.

    It seems the tweet you quoted conflated a lot of thing that did not belong together like ROY, positional value and "the right pick" (while tossing in Darnold)

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  • TonyR
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    Originally posted by Gutless Drunk View Post
    Why would positional value enter into ROY? It's the best rookie, not the most valuable.

    I would still go Saquon as he has had a a rare season with 1198 yards and 87 receptions for 688 yards - 14 total TD's. That's exceptional for a non-rookie.
    Why? It's perception. Mayfield being really good has had far more impact on the Browns than Barkley being really good has had on the Giants. So the tide has shifted from Barkley being the obvious choice to... maybe not. Not hard to understand or figure out, really.

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  • Gutless Drunk
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a &quot;lock&quot; for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>&mdash; Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    Why would positional value enter into ROY? It's the best rookie, not the most valuable.

    I would still go Saquon as he has had a a rare season with 1198 yards and 87 receptions for 688 yards - 14 total TD's. That's exceptional for a non-rookie.

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  • TonyR
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consensus has gone from Saquon as a &quot;lock&quot; for OROY and the right choice for the Giants to most picking Baker for OROY and praising Darnold. Too many had to wait for results to confirm what they should have already known about positional value</p>&mdash; Kevin Cole (@Cole_Kev) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1077962846909034496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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  • GoneFishin'
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB <a href="https://twitter.com/bakermayfield?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bakermayfield</a> has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week!<br><br>RT to congratulate Baker! �� <a href="https://t.co/G5HsVFJ7Ht">pic.twitter.com/G5HsVFJ7Ht</a></p>&mdash; Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1077934592542142465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    He's been better this year, yes. But it won't surprise me if Darnold, who is only 21, ends up being the better player.
    It’ll surprise me. Mayfield was head and shoulders better in college, he’s better as a rookie, and he’ll probably be better throughout his NFL career. That doesn’t mean Darnold won’t be good. Mayfield is just going to be the best in the league most likely.

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