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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by OmegaBronco13 View Post
    What? No love for LJ
    Still a WR who can throw pretending to be a QB...

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  • OmegaBronco13
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    What? No love for LJ

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  • CHEF LUIGI
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Pretty much. ..
    Being reliable and consistent are more important than having a cannon for an arm.
    so true.
    jeff george
    jay cutler
    jamarcus russel
    lots of big arms that proved to be insufficient to win in the NFL

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  • TNF
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    Sloter and Swag should be battlin' it out for Number Two right now instead of this ****...

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by Powderaddict View Post
    John Elway. When he didn't keep Sloter on the 53.
    That’s true...

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  • Powderaddict
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    Originally posted by GoneFishin' View Post
    Who hurt you?
    John Elway. When he didn't keep Sloter on the 53.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by GoneFishin' View Post
    Who hurt you?
    Life's hard man.

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  • GoneFishin'
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    Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Pretty much. People lose their bloody minds over that kids arm, and subsequently say the stupidest **** because of it. Hey, if you believe in the kid's potential based on his physical abilities, cool. But get the **** out of here with the crap about his receivers or how amazing some of the throws he's made are. No one's ever questioned that Allen can throw an amazing pass from time to time. The issue is that, just like in college, he's extremely unreliable and inconsistent as a passer. Being reliable and consistent are more important than having a cannon for an arm.
    Who hurt you?

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  • fontaine
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    It's too early to say either way.

    He's got the ability to make big time throws but he also has the ability to miss completely on routine easy throws. Same as in college.

    Whether he can develop good habits and become consistent in his mechanics/reads remains to be seen but there's already enough there to work with. He's not supposed to have those things nailed down in his rookie year but I think he can definitely get there.

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  • Agamemnon
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    I'm going to have to side with Ag on this one...


    ... As a passer, though, it's difficult to see any signs of improvement from Allen. His numbers are horrific -- he ranks last among qualifying signal-callers in passer rating (62.8) and QBR on pass attempts (26.8) -- and don't bear any resemblance to the quarterback Allen was supposed to be coming out of college. His deep balls have been scattershot at best; on throws 16 or more yards downfield, his passer rating is 36.2, which is nearly 20 points worse than any other qualifying passer. His Total QBR on those throws is also last in the league.

    Allen doesn't have great (or even good) receivers, but in many cases, he's simply missing throws. He left two touchdown passes on the field against the Dolphins. One was in the third quarter on the familiar Air Raid mesh concept, with Zay Jones running a "hunt" route behind the crossing routes to beat zone coverage. The Dolphins totally blow their coverage on Jones, who is about as open as any receiver you'll see, but Allen throws behind his open receiver:


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen has to hit this TD pass to Zay Jones. The Bills are running mesh with Jones running a ‘hunt’ route; maybe Allen thought Jones was going to settle in that spot, but he’s so open that the pass has to be catchable. <a href="https://t.co/SlBsUeLVR9">pic.twitter.com/SlBsUeLVR9</a></p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1072713887731077120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    ... For every throw Allen makes that arrives on time and with velocity, there's another where his footwork gets jumbled and he sails a throw to an open receiver. Allen does a good job of reading defenders' leverage both as a scrambler and in setting up screens, but he has missed on simple checkdowns and dump-offs. Watching Allen play, you never seem to get a sense of whether a ball is going to be delivered to the right spot. Sometimes, I wonder whether Allen knows, too.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...icks-shown-far
    Pretty much. People lose their bloody minds over that kids arm, and subsequently say the stupidest **** because of it. Hey, if you believe in the kid's potential based on his physical abilities, cool. But get the **** out of here with the crap about his receivers or how amazing some of the throws he's made are. No one's ever questioned that Allen can throw an amazing pass from time to time. The issue is that, just like in college, he's extremely unreliable and inconsistent as a passer. Being reliable and consistent are more important than having a cannon for an arm.

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  • CEH
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    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
    I'm going to have to side with Ag on this one...


    ... As a passer, though, it's difficult to see any signs of improvement from Allen. His numbers are horrific -- he ranks last among qualifying signal-callers in passer rating (62.8) and QBR on pass attempts (26.8) -- and don't bear any resemblance to the quarterback Allen was supposed to be coming out of college. His deep balls have been scattershot at best; on throws 16 or more yards downfield, his passer rating is 36.2, which is nearly 20 points worse than any other qualifying passer. His Total QBR on those throws is also last in the league.

    Allen doesn't have great (or even good) receivers, but in many cases, he's simply missing throws. He left two touchdown passes on the field against the Dolphins. One was in the third quarter on the familiar Air Raid mesh concept, with Zay Jones running a "hunt" route behind the crossing routes to beat zone coverage. The Dolphins totally blow their coverage on Jones, who is about as open as any receiver you'll see, but Allen throws behind his open receiver:


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen has to hit this TD pass to Zay Jones. The Bills are running mesh with Jones running a ‘hunt’ route; maybe Allen thought Jones was going to settle in that spot, but he’s so open that the pass has to be catchable. <a href="https://t.co/SlBsUeLVR9">pic.twitter.com/SlBsUeLVR9</a></p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1072713887731077120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    ... For every throw Allen makes that arrives on time and with velocity, there's another where his footwork gets jumbled and he sails a throw to an open receiver. Allen does a good job of reading defenders' leverage both as a scrambler and in setting up screens, but he has missed on simple checkdowns and dump-offs. Watching Allen play, you never seem to get a sense of whether a ball is going to be delivered to the right spot. Sometimes, I wonder whether Allen knows, too.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...icks-shown-far
    That's funny because on the telecast James Lofton (HOF WR) said the WR should have sat down in the zone but then again most get their perspective from 10 second highlights. a ‘hunt’ is finding the dead spot in the zone and sitting down. I think both were to blame if anything.

    Manning and Brady would always yell at WRs when they did not run the specific route. If it was a 12 yard dig , they wanted 12 yards. Not 10 not 13.
    Last edited by CEH; 12-13-2018, 01:49 PM.

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  • TonyR
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    I'm going to have to side with Ag on this one...


    ... As a passer, though, it's difficult to see any signs of improvement from Allen. His numbers are horrific -- he ranks last among qualifying signal-callers in passer rating (62.8) and QBR on pass attempts (26.8) -- and don't bear any resemblance to the quarterback Allen was supposed to be coming out of college. His deep balls have been scattershot at best; on throws 16 or more yards downfield, his passer rating is 36.2, which is nearly 20 points worse than any other qualifying passer. His Total QBR on those throws is also last in the league.

    Allen doesn't have great (or even good) receivers, but in many cases, he's simply missing throws. He left two touchdown passes on the field against the Dolphins. One was in the third quarter on the familiar Air Raid mesh concept, with Zay Jones running a "hunt" route behind the crossing routes to beat zone coverage. The Dolphins totally blow their coverage on Jones, who is about as open as any receiver you'll see, but Allen throws behind his open receiver:


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen has to hit this TD pass to Zay Jones. The Bills are running mesh with Jones running a ‘hunt’ route; maybe Allen thought Jones was going to settle in that spot, but he’s so open that the pass has to be catchable. <a href="https://t.co/SlBsUeLVR9">pic.twitter.com/SlBsUeLVR9</a></p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1072713887731077120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    ... For every throw Allen makes that arrives on time and with velocity, there's another where his footwork gets jumbled and he sails a throw to an open receiver. Allen does a good job of reading defenders' leverage both as a scrambler and in setting up screens, but he has missed on simple checkdowns and dump-offs. Watching Allen play, you never seem to get a sense of whether a ball is going to be delivered to the right spot. Sometimes, I wonder whether Allen knows, too.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...icks-shown-far

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  • fontaine
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    Originally posted by GoneFishin' View Post
    Throws like that have me all...
    You like that?

    Well just to prove it's no fluke:

    Same game, later on and this is an intermediate dig off the right this time just to show his offense trusts him to throw mirrored routes.

    See the WR on the bottom of the screen? It's man coverage again and the CB plays the outside shoulder knowing Kiki Alonso is inside on a zone drop reading the QB's eyes. CB has the outside, LB has in the inside, Cover 2 so a safety over the top. Lol, rookie QB and the defense is already playing Cover 2, sending 5 back to cover their 3 - that's respect.

    Allen just drops back, gets a clean pocket and puts the hammer down on a pin point throw bisecting the two defenders after reading left to right. The LBer had eyes on the QB but the throw is so hard and flat that he has no chance. The flat/hard pass is important because you could easily run that route deeper without any drop off from Allen.

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  • GoneFishin'
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    Originally posted by fontaine View Post
    Yeah, there are throws that Allen is making that most QBs wouldn't even attempt.

    This is a 2nd and 12 throw against a strong pass rush in his face preventing him from stepping into his throw. Yes, he can't step into his throw, yet he still throws a rocket 20 yards on a dig route splitting the underneath lurking LBer, over the top safety who's specifically there for that route and trailing coverage CB.

    That's the definition of a tight window throw with anticipation, arm strength and pin point accuracy under pressure from the pocket. That's a real throw.
    Some clown on this thread said he struggles going through progressions. He went right to middle and chose the more difficult throw on 2nd and 12. He's like the anit-Keenum.

    I don't know how his career is going to pan out but no defense can defend against that type of throw. Miami did everything right, got pressure, had tight coverage yet Allen nails this throw for a TD.

    Throws like that have me all...

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  • fontaine
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    Originally posted by CEH View Post
    Yep. He's not Tebow that is a fact.
    Yeah, there are throws that Allen is making that most QBs wouldn't even attempt.

    This is a 2nd and 12 throw against a strong pass rush in his face preventing him from stepping into his throw. Yes, he can't step into his throw, yet he still throws a rocket 20 yards on a dig route splitting the underneath lurking LBer, over the top safety who's specifically there for that route and trailing coverage CB.

    That's the definition of a tight window throw with anticipation, arm strength and pin point accuracy under pressure from the pocket. That's a real throw.
    Some clown on this thread said he struggles going through progressions. He went right to middle and chose the more difficult throw on 2nd and 12. He's like the anit-Keenum.

    I don't know how his career is going to pan out but no defense can defend against that type of throw. Miami did everything right, got pressure, had tight coverage yet Allen nails this throw for a TD.

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