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  • CEH
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    Probably similar arm strength, some throws he looked like Josh Allen.


    These were my notes:


    QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN

    Georgia (2017): Playing shotgun only scheme. Build looks pretty good, a little on the skinny side, but mostly filled out. Nice accurate throw on the run on rollout, arm looks solid. Does an excellent job with hiding the ball on playaction. Does a good job scanning the field and going through reads, pretty elusive in the pocket, definitely not a statue. Can be a threat to scramble. Under heavy pressure so far, hasn’t had a chance to actually sit in the pocket at all. Pretty nice throw rolling out and throwing across his body to try and hit a corner route in the back of the end zone from about 40 yards. Was incomplete, but pretty accurate for how difficult that throw was. Guy definitely has some arm talent. Has been very consistent with his ball placement on short stuff like swing passes and screens. He throws a pretty spiral on the deep passes, arm strength is good, not great, but his accuracy has been pretty dynamite. Hit a 50 yard post route for a TD, all in air into tight coverage. Looks solid working outside the numbers in the intermediate range. Flashed some solid speed on a designed QB sweep for a 10 yard TD. This guy is a plus athlete. 35 yard TD on a screen play where the WR did all the work, ball placement was on point once again though. 55 yard TD on a misdirection screen play to the RB where he just raced down the sideline for the score. Stats were pretty misleading because the numbers were largely bolstered by two long screen TDs. However, he did flash on some of his throws in this game. He looks to have the arm strength, the accuracy, and the athleticism that you look for in an NFL QB prospect. He also consistently went through his reads, didn’t make mistakes with the ball, and was pretty elusive against a ferocious pass rush. A lot to like here.

    LSU (2018): Playing shotgun most of the time, some under center. Picked off on first throw of game, accurate roll out pass on a curl route, CB just jumped the route and made a nice play (14:25, Q1). Screen pass to RB, drop (9:51, Q1). Absolute bullet on intermediate crossing route, WR had it clang off his hands (9:47, Q1). Superb back shoulder throw down sideline for chunk gain (8:29, Q1). Chunk gain on Go route down opposite hash, nice throw again (7:52, Q1). Nice throw on intermediate out route to TE on 3rd down (7:40, Q2). Does a fine job working outside the numbers. Playaction pass, hit WR on intermediate slant route for a chunk gain, another absolute missile with excellent accuracy (7:13, Q2). Fifty yard bomb on Go route, overthrew him at the goal line by a few yards (7:00, Q2). Screen to the FB for a chunk gain, nice ball placement to hit him perfectly in stride (6:08, Q2). Inside slant from slot by RB, drop (3:40, Q2). That was probably going to be a big play, had some room to run. Incredible throw towards the end of the second quarter (3:30, 2Q) where he rolled out under pressure and rifled it back across his body to the WR at the sideline, just above the DBs reach. Nice play all around. Nice deep ball on Go route in end zone, CB able to knock it away. Some really nice screen plays at the end of the half and starting the second half to pick up some key first downs. Nice throw up the sideline to hit wide open RB on wheel route in stride for a chunk gain (11:35, 3Q). RPO keeper for a 10 yard TD on the next play, just enough athleticism to get outside and dive for the end zone. Aww, on review they placed it at the one foot line, no TD. Nice TD throw on rollout a few plays later (10:38, 3Q). Took handoff under center, playaction boot leg, hit TE for a nice gain (3:15, 3Q). INT on miscommunication with WR up sideline, he threw a back shoulder, WR went deep, easy pick (1:45, 3Q). Continues to be very safe with the ball, scans field, throws away on bootleg (14:30, 4Q). Following play, showed off some nice elusiveness in the pocket and athleticism on his scramble. Has looked good on roll out passes the majority of this game, good accuracy and touch (10:12, 4Q). Had a potential long TD on a Go route up sideline, Greedy Williams got away with a massive hold of the WR they showed during the replay, throw looked to be on point (8:35, 4Q). Elusiveness in pocket and trying to avoid the rush because his OL can’t block at all (6:20, 4Q). LSU kept the ball the final 6 minutes and kicked a field goal at the buzzer. Loss squarely on Auburn kicker, they should have won this game.

    Washington (2018): Playing shotgun only scheme. He looks noticeably fatter this year, not sure if he has a flak jacket on to protect his ribs or what. Looks slower when he scrambles around as well. Not sure I like this change. Frozen rope corner route for a 20 yard TD, that was nice, I liked that. Still has some elusiveness in the pocket, but it’s not the same as last year. Nice throw on the run to the sideline. Arm might actually be stronger with the increased mass. Nice back shoulder throw up sideline for chunk gain. He’s showing off a rocket arm in this game, not sure what changed from last year, but arm much stronger. Bullet on an intermediate slant for a chunk gain. He’s looking a little like Josh Allen on some of these throws in terms of difficulty and arm strength. Had a rollout pass thrown across his body that was impossibly located for an almost TD in the end zone. Tried a designed QB run, he definitely doesn’t have the speed he had in 2017. I would guess he’s put on 25 lbs. Seems like half to his gut, the other half to his right biceps. Long scramble for a chunk gain off a flea flicker, he runs more like a dad now, but he can still scoot a little bit. Has been pretty risk averse in this game, scans the field, if he doesn’t like it, will throw it away or run. One of the better QBs at going through all his reads, seemingly twice at times. Superb throw on a Go route up sideline, almost a TD, but WR came down out of bounds. Insane accuracy so far, has been nails on intermediate throws, especially inside the numbers. Looks good on RPOs, gets the ball out quick. Showed some toughness trying to run over the LBs on third down to reach the sticks, he didn’t and got absolutely smashed, but you like to see that type of grit. Has been under constant pressure in the second half, taking a lot of hits, maybe rattled a little bit. Dynamite bullet throw down the sideline for a chunk gain. Continues to show world class arm talent. Had a key QB designed run late to help ice the game where he got around the edge. This was first round tape against a good defense. This guy is a stud, has everything you want in a QB.

    Alabama (2018): Playing shotgun only scheme. Bullet on inside slant, WR dropped it. Bullet on curl route, WR dropped it. Almost picked off on out route. First series a complete dud. Second series is 1st and 27 near the goal line. Short throw to RB in flat, dropped. Second series a dud. WR screen for decent gain. Outlet pass to RB for chunk gain, did a nice job recognizing delayed safety blitz. Third series better, result a TD, lots of runs, some smart short passes by Stidham. Roll out pass to WR on sideline, dropped. Fourth series ruined by penalties mostly. Fifth series, Alabama swarmed the line every snap. Auburn can’t block these guys, this is a very sloppy game in terms of penalties and drops as well. Auburn scored on trick play on sixth series. Half time, Stidham hasn’t attempted a single pass down the field yet. Any time he’s tried to drop back, he’s been sacked or under immediate pressure. Most of his short and intermediate throws have been flat out dropped. Finally a throw down the field on deep out route, ball goes right through WRs hands. That drop pretty much killed the drive. This is laughably bad. I’d declare for the draft early too at this point. Monster deep ball, 60 yards or so, that was a little underthrown, CB able to knock it away. If thrown a tad sooner, probably a TD. Quick slant, WR dropped it. 40 yard TD on 50/50 ball that the WR came back to make a play on and then jogged into the end zone. Nothing special about that throw, just kind of heaved it up under heavy pressure. Nice little run on RPO keeper for a first down. Another scramble for a first down. He’s playing hard late in this blowout, I’ll give him that. Picked off on misdirection backside screen to the TE, nice play by the LB drifting back and high pointing it. Screen to RB, dropped. Tough game to watch, Stidham basically took a beating the entire game as Auburn can’t block anybody at all. No time to throw down field, really, no time for anything other than quick hitting short passes, which the WRs dropped half the time. Not much to learn here other than the guy is tough as nails and plays hard the entire game. Arm and athleticism looked fine, just nothing he could do against this defense with the supporting cast he has. I’m sure this game was front and center when he declared early, he took an absolute beating. Overall, he has everything you want. Howitzer arm, good athleticism, makes good decisions on the field, and has superb accuracy. Would be shocked if he doesn’t go early in the draft. He’s the type of guy that should blow up the pre-draft process.
    Thanks.

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by CEH View Post
    Serious question. How does his arm compare to Jay Cutler.

    Probably similar arm strength, some throws he looked like Josh Allen.


    These were my notes:


    QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN

    Georgia (2017): Playing shotgun only scheme. Build looks pretty good, a little on the skinny side, but mostly filled out. Nice accurate throw on the run on rollout, arm looks solid. Does an excellent job with hiding the ball on playaction. Does a good job scanning the field and going through reads, pretty elusive in the pocket, definitely not a statue. Can be a threat to scramble. Under heavy pressure so far, hasn’t had a chance to actually sit in the pocket at all. Pretty nice throw rolling out and throwing across his body to try and hit a corner route in the back of the end zone from about 40 yards. Was incomplete, but pretty accurate for how difficult that throw was. Guy definitely has some arm talent. Has been very consistent with his ball placement on short stuff like swing passes and screens. He throws a pretty spiral on the deep passes, arm strength is good, not great, but his accuracy has been pretty dynamite. Hit a 50 yard post route for a TD, all in air into tight coverage. Looks solid working outside the numbers in the intermediate range. Flashed some solid speed on a designed QB sweep for a 10 yard TD. This guy is a plus athlete. 35 yard TD on a screen play where the WR did all the work, ball placement was on point once again though. 55 yard TD on a misdirection screen play to the RB where he just raced down the sideline for the score. Stats were pretty misleading because the numbers were largely bolstered by two long screen TDs. However, he did flash on some of his throws in this game. He looks to have the arm strength, the accuracy, and the athleticism that you look for in an NFL QB prospect. He also consistently went through his reads, didn’t make mistakes with the ball, and was pretty elusive against a ferocious pass rush. A lot to like here.

    LSU (2018): Playing shotgun most of the time, some under center. Picked off on first throw of game, accurate roll out pass on a curl route, CB just jumped the route and made a nice play (14:25, Q1). Screen pass to RB, drop (9:51, Q1). Absolute bullet on intermediate crossing route, WR had it clang off his hands (9:47, Q1). Superb back shoulder throw down sideline for chunk gain (8:29, Q1). Chunk gain on Go route down opposite hash, nice throw again (7:52, Q1). Nice throw on intermediate out route to TE on 3rd down (7:40, Q2). Does a fine job working outside the numbers. Playaction pass, hit WR on intermediate slant route for a chunk gain, another absolute missile with excellent accuracy (7:13, Q2). Fifty yard bomb on Go route, overthrew him at the goal line by a few yards (7:00, Q2). Screen to the FB for a chunk gain, nice ball placement to hit him perfectly in stride (6:08, Q2). Inside slant from slot by RB, drop (3:40, Q2). That was probably going to be a big play, had some room to run. Incredible throw towards the end of the second quarter (3:30, 2Q) where he rolled out under pressure and rifled it back across his body to the WR at the sideline, just above the DBs reach. Nice play all around. Nice deep ball on Go route in end zone, CB able to knock it away. Some really nice screen plays at the end of the half and starting the second half to pick up some key first downs. Nice throw up the sideline to hit wide open RB on wheel route in stride for a chunk gain (11:35, 3Q). RPO keeper for a 10 yard TD on the next play, just enough athleticism to get outside and dive for the end zone. Aww, on review they placed it at the one foot line, no TD. Nice TD throw on rollout a few plays later (10:38, 3Q). Took handoff under center, playaction boot leg, hit TE for a nice gain (3:15, 3Q). INT on miscommunication with WR up sideline, he threw a back shoulder, WR went deep, easy pick (1:45, 3Q). Continues to be very safe with the ball, scans field, throws away on bootleg (14:30, 4Q). Following play, showed off some nice elusiveness in the pocket and athleticism on his scramble. Has looked good on roll out passes the majority of this game, good accuracy and touch (10:12, 4Q). Had a potential long TD on a Go route up sideline, Greedy Williams got away with a massive hold of the WR they showed during the replay, throw looked to be on point (8:35, 4Q). Elusiveness in pocket and trying to avoid the rush because his OL can’t block at all (6:20, 4Q). LSU kept the ball the final 6 minutes and kicked a field goal at the buzzer. Loss squarely on Auburn kicker, they should have won this game.

    Washington (2018): Playing shotgun only scheme. He looks noticeably fatter this year, not sure if he has a flak jacket on to protect his ribs or what. Looks slower when he scrambles around as well. Not sure I like this change. Frozen rope corner route for a 20 yard TD, that was nice, I liked that. Still has some elusiveness in the pocket, but it’s not the same as last year. Nice throw on the run to the sideline. Arm might actually be stronger with the increased mass. Nice back shoulder throw up sideline for chunk gain. He’s showing off a rocket arm in this game, not sure what changed from last year, but arm much stronger. Bullet on an intermediate slant for a chunk gain. He’s looking a little like Josh Allen on some of these throws in terms of difficulty and arm strength. Had a rollout pass thrown across his body that was impossibly located for an almost TD in the end zone. Tried a designed QB run, he definitely doesn’t have the speed he had in 2017. I would guess he’s put on 25 lbs. Seems like half to his gut, the other half to his right biceps. Long scramble for a chunk gain off a flea flicker, he runs more like a dad now, but he can still scoot a little bit. Has been pretty risk averse in this game, scans the field, if he doesn’t like it, will throw it away or run. One of the better QBs at going through all his reads, seemingly twice at times. Superb throw on a Go route up sideline, almost a TD, but WR came down out of bounds. Insane accuracy so far, has been nails on intermediate throws, especially inside the numbers. Looks good on RPOs, gets the ball out quick. Showed some toughness trying to run over the LBs on third down to reach the sticks, he didn’t and got absolutely smashed, but you like to see that type of grit. Has been under constant pressure in the second half, taking a lot of hits, maybe rattled a little bit. Dynamite bullet throw down the sideline for a chunk gain. Continues to show world class arm talent. Had a key QB designed run late to help ice the game where he got around the edge. This was first round tape against a good defense. This guy is a stud, has everything you want in a QB.

    Alabama (2018): Playing shotgun only scheme. Bullet on inside slant, WR dropped it. Bullet on curl route, WR dropped it. Almost picked off on out route. First series a complete dud. Second series is 1st and 27 near the goal line. Short throw to RB in flat, dropped. Second series a dud. WR screen for decent gain. Outlet pass to RB for chunk gain, did a nice job recognizing delayed safety blitz. Third series better, result a TD, lots of runs, some smart short passes by Stidham. Roll out pass to WR on sideline, dropped. Fourth series ruined by penalties mostly. Fifth series, Alabama swarmed the line every snap. Auburn can’t block these guys, this is a very sloppy game in terms of penalties and drops as well. Auburn scored on trick play on sixth series. Half time, Stidham hasn’t attempted a single pass down the field yet. Any time he’s tried to drop back, he’s been sacked or under immediate pressure. Most of his short and intermediate throws have been flat out dropped. Finally a throw down the field on deep out route, ball goes right through WRs hands. That drop pretty much killed the drive. This is laughably bad. I’d declare for the draft early too at this point. Monster deep ball, 60 yards or so, that was a little underthrown, CB able to knock it away. If thrown a tad sooner, probably a TD. Quick slant, WR dropped it. 40 yard TD on 50/50 ball that the WR came back to make a play on and then jogged into the end zone. Nothing special about that throw, just kind of heaved it up under heavy pressure. Nice little run on RPO keeper for a first down. Another scramble for a first down. He’s playing hard late in this blowout, I’ll give him that. Picked off on misdirection backside screen to the TE, nice play by the LB drifting back and high pointing it. Screen to RB, dropped. Tough game to watch, Stidham basically took a beating the entire game as Auburn can’t block anybody at all. No time to throw down field, really, no time for anything other than quick hitting short passes, which the WRs dropped half the time. Not much to learn here other than the guy is tough as nails and plays hard the entire game. Arm and athleticism looked fine, just nothing he could do against this defense with the supporting cast he has. I’m sure this game was front and center when he declared early, he took an absolute beating. Overall, he has everything you want. Howitzer arm, good athleticism, makes good decisions on the field, and has superb accuracy. Would be shocked if he doesn’t go early in the draft. He’s the type of guy that should blow up the pre-draft process.

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  • GoneFishin'
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    We've gotta get us a good one...

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 2017 and 2018 QB classes will surely help replenish the talent throughout the league especially with a lot of the elite QBs around the league being on the tail end of their careers.</p>&mdash; Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JReidNFL/status/1070698722684739584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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  • CEH
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    You're judging the QBs by stats?

    Stidham led an Auburn team with a horrific OL, no RBs, no TEs, and no WRs to throw to. He was the entire offense. They dropped half his passes every game.

    Meanwhile, his accuracy is elite. His arm is elite. His ability to throw on the run is elite. His athleticism and elusiveness in the pocket is very good. Not his fault if his team cant block or catch. And that was against NFL talent in the SEC.
    Serious question. How does his arm compare to Jay Cutler.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
    Yeah I see several. Almost all of then, really.
    You see some college out there not running the RPO offense? Which school and which QBs specifically.?

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by BroncoInferno View Post
    Stidham and Lock are fools gold. I don't know enough about the others to comment, but those are two to avoid IMO. A lot of talent but neither were consistent performers. Well, that's not exactly true with Stidham--he was consistently mediocre. I've never gotten it with him. I mean, just look at the numbers. As nondescript as you can get.
    You're judging the QBs by stats?

    Stidham led an Auburn team with a horrific OL, no RBs, no TEs, and no WRs to throw to. He was the entire offense. They dropped half his passes every game.

    Meanwhile, his accuracy is elite. His arm is elite. His ability to throw on the run is elite. His athleticism and elusiveness in the pocket is very good. Not his fault if his team cant block or catch. And that was against NFL talent in the SEC.

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  • Papa-pwn
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    Originally posted by Broncoblood32 View Post
    I do not see ANY college QBs that would fit into the system that Elway, Kubiak, or Musgrave want to run?

    Does anyone?

    I know they are CAPABLE of change. Then again, are they?

    We can name any QB. It could be Pat Mahomes, but if the coaching staff (organization) are not willing to fit that system to that QBs skill set, I don't think so.

    Refernce Paxton Lynch. He was not going to be anything other than a RPO QB. He was not going to fit into a west coast offense. Yet, there was Elway and Kube. Getting guys to hammer square pegs into round holes.

    Very few QBs throughout history are NOT "system QBs." Most fit into.....well, what they do best.

    Hell, Kubiak tried to turn Manning into a bootleg keeper west coast QB. Joke.

    That is an issue right now, and imo would not matter who they drafted.
    Yeah I see several. Almost all of then, really.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by BroncoInferno View Post
    Stidham and Lock are fools gold. I don't know enough about the others to comment, but those are two to avoid IMO. A lot of talent but neither were consistent performers. Well, that's not exactly true with Stidham--he was consistently mediocre. I've never gotten it with him. I mean, just look at the numbers. As nondescript as you can get.
    I do not see ANY college QBs that would fit into the system that Elway, Kubiak, or Musgrave want to run?

    Does anyone?

    I know they are CAPABLE of change. Then again, are they?

    We can name any QB. It could be Pat Mahomes, but if the coaching staff (organization) are not willing to fit that system to that QBs skill set, I don't think so.

    Refernce Paxton Lynch. He was not going to be anything other than a RPO QB. He was not going to fit into a west coast offense. Yet, there was Elway and Kube. Getting guys to hammer square pegs into round holes.

    Very few QBs throughout history are NOT "system QBs." Most fit into.....well, what they do best.

    Hell, Kubiak tried to turn Manning into a bootleg keeper west coast QB. Joke.

    That is an issue right now, and imo would not matter who they drafted.

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  • BroncoInferno
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    Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
    Lock / Herbert / Haskins / Stidham / Grier all have far more physical talent than Keenum. Would be pretty excited to get any of them.
    Stidham and Lock are fools gold. I don't know enough about the others to comment, but those are two to avoid IMO. A lot of talent but neither were consistent performers. Well, that's not exactly true with Stidham--he was consistently mediocre. I've never gotten it with him. I mean, just look at the numbers. As nondescript as you can get.

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  • Broncoblood32
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    Originally posted by 2KBack View Post
    No, no he is not. Rosen may get better, but he isn't even close to Keenum yet.

    Rosen over the last 4 games:
    51.7 comp%
    149.5 Yards per game
    5TD's
    5INT's
    65.25 Rating
    Rosen sucks. No way to get around it. Maybe improve. Right now, he sucks. How many injuries has the Broncos had on their OL this year? Larry Fitzgerald, although old is still effective. Plus, Johnson was a very highly rated back going into the season.

    The other thing about Rosen that really supersedes everything to me is his durability. He was a tennis prodigy, until a shoulder injury stopped those aspirations. He was not exactly healthy at UCLA.

    By the way he talks too, he is going to bankrupt a franchise with salary the very first time he has that chance.

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  • Dr. Broncenstein
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    Agreed, though that would likely mean not having Chubb. I guess it all comes down to how we do this year. If we end up with a quality QB option, than passing last year and grabbing Chubb might prove to have been the best move.

    I like all of whom I assume will be the big name QBs in this draft as well. Saw some similarities on tape with Jason Stidham and Josh Allen in terms of ridiculous throws and arm strength. He's my favorite of the bunch as it stands.

    If we come out of these two drafts with Chubb and Stidham, we should be good for a long time.
    Lock / Herbert / Haskins / Stidham / Grier all have far more physical talent than Keenum. Would be pretty excited to get any of them.

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  • 2KBack
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    Originally posted by CEH View Post
    Rosen has lost his entire starting OLine
    Bunch of 2nd teamer and he’s playing as well as Keenum right noe
    Still learning . QBs progress the most in the 2nd year when the game slows down
    No, no he is not. Rosen may get better, but he isn't even close to Keenum yet.

    Rosen over the last 4 games:
    51.7 comp%
    149.5 Yards per game
    5TD's
    5INT's
    65.25 Rating

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  • CEH
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    Rosen has lost his entire starting OLine
    Bunch of 2nd teamer and he’s playing as well as Keenum right noe
    Still learning . QBs progress the most in the 2nd year when the game slows down

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
    I liked all the big name quarterbacks in the 2018 draft. We should have grabbed one.
    Agreed, though that would likely mean not having Chubb. I guess it all comes down to how we do this year. If we end up with a quality QB option, than passing last year and grabbing Chubb might prove to have been the best move.

    I like all of whom I assume will be the big name QBs in this draft as well. Saw some similarities on tape with Jason Stidham and Josh Allen in terms of ridiculous throws and arm strength. He's my favorite of the bunch as it stands.

    If we come out of these two drafts with Chubb and Stidham, we should be good for a long time.

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  • Dr. Broncenstein
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    I liked all the big name quarterbacks in the 2018 draft. We should have grabbed one.

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