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    I missed the game live as I was at a wedding and got to watch the DVR recording after i had been reading updates on the board. I thought I would turn it on and watch Manning getting knocked around like a rag doll. That didn't really happen. It sucked to let it get close at the end of the game but it's a road game which recently was a pretty good rivalry. Props to SD for not laying down. I think they may be the 2nd best team in the division by the end of the year even though their record might not reflect it because of the Chiefs easy schedule.

    I thought our offense played fairly well across the board. For once this season we started REALLY fast going away in the 1st half and then tailed off in the second half. Normally that's been flipped this year.

    -Manning and the passing offense was on point for most of their passes. There were a few we left out on the field including the one to DT in the 3rd/4th QTR where he was wide open coming across the middle and he could barely get a paw on it. I think that was a 3rd down play. Caldwell dropped a wide open bubble screen on 3rd and 6 which was blocked perfectly and would have went for a first down. His 1 f'n play which he gets called in for and the dude dribbles a perfect pass off the ground with nobody around him. He needs to put that play on loop this offseason when he feels disrespected by Manning when he isn't invited to offseason passing sessions in Carolina. Catch the f'n ball. Welker had a wide open drop on 3rd down in the 1st half which would have been a 1st. I cringe watching these because these plays are the difference between this very good Broncos team and the teams we watched on offense in the 90's… those Elway offenses would seldom put the ball on the ground, in practice or in the game. We have yet to play a full 60 minute game in this sense and when we do, we're really going to explode on offense.

    -The much maligned OL I thought did a pretty solid job protecting Manning. As mentioned, checking in from where I was at, i'm reading all these threads about Manning hobbling, getting killed, taking too many shots. I watched the game and the Chargers got maybe 4-5 good shots on him all game. Considering we threw it almost 40 times, that's about right for any good pass blocking unit. Now with that, there are a few plays like the Orlando Franklin block where he just got whipped on the first step and barely touched the DE, that was BS. Thankfully Manning saw it stepped up and only got his leg swiped for the sack. The Chris Clark strip sack was tough though. Manning didn't really help him there. He had Luiget going outside who is a pretty good rusher and Manning bailed on the pocket running back and to the right giving up Clark's blocking angle and letting CL get a full head of steam on his way to Manning. When a QB does that, the DE instantly gets an angle on the OT and the QB and the DE's gonna get turned loose. I blame both of those guys on that one.

    I'm not in the group of people thinking that the late Chargers hit on Manning was late or dirty. Manny chucked the DL downward when we was pushing upfield. Momentum is going to take him forward and down. Shame on Ramirez for doing that.

    - As I spoke about the last few weeks with Franklin banged up, Clady gone, Denver was going to have to get their blocking TE's in the game more vs. Thomas who is a unrefined blocker. Virgil Green, largely considered our best blocking TE saw a lot more PT this game. In fact I mostly saw Thomas and Green in on the multi TE plays. Didn't see Tamme or Dreesen at all. Sadly, Virgil Green had a similar pass block to that of Thomas the past few weeks where the DE just bucked him, slanted inside his face and blasted Manning right after he threw the ball on his throwing shoulder. Somebody is going to have to get in these guys asses to block to the whistle. Green just stopped moving his feet.

    - I thought the running game was solid. Not spectacular, not truly a threat, but it was solid and kept the chargers defense honest. Moreno will still run into the back of his linemen which drives me crazy and costs us 3-8 extra yards on those plays. Moreno is what he is. A solid 50-75 ypg back, who knows his blocking assignments and had good hands. 8 catches is impressive. I thought Ball had a nice few runs getting a little more work during the game. He had a couple 1st down carries which was nice to see. I hope we keep giving Ball a few more carries per game and get him up to about 8-10 by the 4th qtr of the season. Watching New Orleans last night, we are missing that bulldog running game which can deliver a blow, overwhelm opponents to shorten the clock and set a tempo. I can envision Ball being more this type of runner. There was a carry he had yesterday where I saw TD like ability on his 12 yd scamper which Elway compared him to coming-out of the draft. I just don't know if we have the interior line to get movement like this on the LOS to let him go.

    - Overall I thought the defense did a very good job. Rivers was solid, kept the chargers out of trouble by not turning it over. Good on them. They broke some runs on us but i'm not worried about that. Matthews has been a lot better this year despite being dinged up. The long runs he had was because Danny Trevathan kept popping inside on running plays and losing his gap assignment. Normally he's been pretty good with that but that 35 yd run by Mathews, he ran himself right into the blockers and out of the play leaving a wide open alley to run through. It happens, although not that much this year against our defense. Gotta fix that fit. Woodhead is a solid unspectacular running back who gives them 10-12 great touches a game. Same thing yesterday. The SD offense is built around 3 wide/1 TE like ours and we were playing the pass to not let Rivers get hot and beat us. We gave them the run game and they did an ok job with it. If we don't give up the fumble and the short field, take another 7 pts off the board for them. It's maddening how often our offense does that to our defense and it's bound to bite us in the ass eventually, like it did vs. the Colts. I hope we tighten it up in the 2nd half of the season.

    - I thought the DL had a good game. DT's Vickerson and Knighton were very active as both created negative plays and generally took away iso type running plays. SD played into our hand here by running a lot of off tackle/slant type running plays allowing our LB's to chase and run. Wolf was making high effort plays. This is what he is. He's a Engleberger type. Gets a good run fit, performs off effort, won't truly be a great sacker but a good cog to have in your defensive unit to compliment the playmakers. Von puts his hand on the ground, he creates a lot of havoc. Phillips looks like he's purely a pass rushing specialist which we could never get away with calling Elvis during his time here. I don't think we've lost anything with Doom being gone.

    Hard to say the pass rush was all our talent as the Chargers OL is pretty banged up but we looked good getting after the passer and in our run fits with the DL. On that note, that's going to be the key to the game this week against the Chiefs. Our pass rush on the front four needs to terrorize Smith early and often so we don't need to blitz. We will open up plays for them if we have to blitz because Reid is going to screen pass us to death on those plays. Penetration will also force Charles to make early decisions in the backfield on his draw plays which will allow our LB's to chase and run him down which is their strong suit. He'll get 5-8 of those carries against us. It's their most effective run play.

    - The LB's were good for the most part besides the occasional overrun on run fits. This mostly happened with Trevathan. I haven't counted that many bad plays by him this year so i'll give him a pass. For every bad play I saw, there were numerous others that he beat everybody to the hole and stopped the back for zero yardage or a loss. You have to take those plays from a young guy. He's barely scratched the surface on how good he can get. 11 tackles by both Woodyard and Trevathan yesterday. I really like what we've got with our core between Trevathan, Woodyard, Irvin and Miller when he's back there playing the SAM or the Joker on pass rush plays.

    - Our DB's looked good for the most part. DRC was very good all day, held Allen to 4 catches and he's been very impressive for SD as a rookie. His only bad play was the PI and that was a soft call by the official. There were a couple worse plays committed by SD on the Decker that didn't get called but it is what it is. I thought K. Webster had another very solid game. I like his performance thus far. He got banged up, shook it off and came back in. Harris had a few plays where him and the safeties got confused. Safety is probably the worst part of our defense IMO. We can't seem to find the right combo back there. I saw Moore, Adams, Bruton in on various plays. I don't think our coaches know who the guys are there yet. Scary considering the way we lost against Baltimore last year. I will say that Quinton Jammer got in the game this week and it's not like the Chargers have great WR's but I thought he looked very good. Nice physical presence playing press coverage, he made a few plays out there.

    Overall coming out of the game I felt like we should have won by more but SD did a good job shortening the clock and taking a few of our miscues and turning them into points. I don't to seem overconfident but I think SD is a better team than the KC, and I expect us to win by over 10 pts this weekend.

  • #2
    I didn't re-watch the game, but live I noticed the Chargers DB's playing soft the first half. They were always 10 yards off our WRs and we were killing them. Then I noticed in the 2nd half they were playing press some and we couldn't do ****. Any one else notice this? And how do we get off the ball better? Since the Jags game, teams have had success doing this to us.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Slade View Post
      I didn't re-watch the game, but live I noticed the Chargers DB's playing soft the first half. They were always 10 yards off our WRs and we were killing them. Then I noticed in the 2nd half they were playing press some and we couldn't do ****. Any one else notice this? And how do we get off the ball better? Since the Jags game, teams have had success doing this to us.
      Could you define 'success' for me?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Slade View Post
        I didn't re-watch the game, but live I noticed the Chargers DB's playing soft the first half. They were always 10 yards off our WRs and we were killing them. Then I noticed in the 2nd half they were playing press some and we couldn't do ****. Any one else notice this? And how do we get off the ball better? Since the Jags game, teams have had success doing this to us.
        Run the Ball, and screens and passes to flat to our backs... that is my guess

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Eldorado View Post
          Could you define 'success' for me?
          The colts beat us

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          • #6
            Originally posted by B-Large View Post
            Run the Ball, and screens and passes to flat to our backs... that is my guess
            Why then does PFM try to throw deep on against this everytime? He seemed more ok to throw short against soft coverage, then against press.

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            • #7
              6:30 to play, up by 8, I wonder what the percentages look like in that scenario against a team on the road.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Slade View Post
                The colts beat us
                Ok, thanks. So giving up 33 points and 429 yards is a defensive success. Got it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Slade View Post
                  Why then does PFM try to throw deep on against this everytime? He seemed more ok to throw short against soft coverage, then against press.
                  We have big physcial receivers that should be able to go up and grab a ball to bust that coverage perhaps? At the very least you think maybe you get a flag for PI... Decker does his best to get them we know that.

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                  • #10
                    Defenses have definitely been playing Cover 2 under and the like style defenses against us. I think that's why we've been seeing a lot of JT this year, a lot of passes to the HB's as man opens up check down passes in the flats and in the middle of the field. The bubble screens are similar as well, as the man coverage on the line is going to open up motion screens and create seams straight to the safeties.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Slade View Post
                      Why then does PFM try to throw deep on against this everytime? He seemed more ok to throw short against soft coverage, then against press.
                      He's just trying to shut jetmeck up

                      http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...ball+downfield

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by B-Large View Post
                        We have big physcial receivers that should be able to go up and grab a ball to bust that coverage perhaps? At the very least you think maybe you get a flag for PI... Decker does his best to get them we know that.
                        Decker might be big, but he's hardly physical. Pretty easy to take him out of the equation when he isn't doing that himself.

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                        • #13
                          great post, bpc.

                          Althought on the low hit on manning, Manny didn't push the guy into the ground or into Manning. If you rewatch it, he was near the point of holding so he decided to let go of the guy at the last moment, and Liuget dove downward on his own. Can't blame manny for not wanting a holding on a pivotal play.

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                          • #14
                            I was thinking about the game..was Manning hit more because Fox wasn't on the sidelines?

                            I know it sounds dumb but I could see Gase and Manning trying to go wild without Fox telling them to go max protect or at least leaving in a TE more often.

                            Just a random thought.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DenverBroncosJM View Post
                              I was thinking about the game..was Manning hit more because Fox wasn't on the sidelines?

                              I know it sounds dumb but I could see Gase and Manning trying to go wild without Fox telling them to go max protect or at least leaving in a TE more often.

                              Just a random thought.
                              No.



                              RE: OP - great stuff. Thanks for taking the time to post this. I agree with pretty much all of it.

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