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WTF going on at the Broncos? Booker over Freeman(and he’s going to play on Thursday?)?

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  • Originally posted by OABB View Post
    Booker is fine. I think freeman should start, but booker isn’t as bad as you guys think. I expect a decent year from him. Flame away
    250 attempts and his longest run is 20 fricken yards. Booker sucks.

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    • Originally posted by Dedhed View Post
      Relax. Booker will get the first carry of the game, stay in for pass pro on second Royce will come in and have 3xs more snaps.
      For the life of me I just can’t remember ever been so pissed off or befuddled by a Broncos coaching staff. I don’t even think other coaching staffs across the NFL in similar situations are pulling the same ****.

      All that is more than obvious...Did Shanny ever put a could be/would be starter in the 4th preseason game? I don’t ever remember that.

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      • Originally posted by Dedhed View Post
        Relax. Booker will get the first carry of the game, stay in for pass pro on second Royce will come in and have 3xs more snaps.
        yeah, drama queens, every one of them

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        • I've said a number of times here that preseason games are nearly useless. If the owners weren't making a lot of money off of them, they wouldn't be having them.

          I haven't paid attention to the Rams preseason games, but if they didn't play their starters, that's smart. They don't need any preseason games to get ready for the season. I guess they used the games to evaluate the players on the back end of the roster. That makes sense.

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          • Originally posted by Jason in LA View Post
            I've said a number of times here that preseason games are nearly useless. If the owners weren't making a lot of money off of them, they wouldn't be having them.

            I haven't paid attention to the Rams preseason games, but if they didn't play their starters, that's smart. They don't need any preseason games to get ready for the season. I guess they used the games to evaluate the players on the back end of the roster. That makes sense.
            We will see. It certinaly is a new mindset. Which is great.

            However the Rams have returned a team with a lot of FAs. How many starters are new to the team? Live snaps...even in preseason, would seem like the rewards would outweigh the risks of playing them as a unit.

            Now a veteran, playoff team with limited turnover of staff or players....yeah. I agree to sit them for all of the PS.

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            • Booker is our worst RB. Yep, I said it.

              Get rid of his ass.

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              • I heard Freeman on the radio tonight. Guy sounds pretty smart. Him and CJ should play chess against each other.

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                • Although I kind of understand the logic behind it, it still amazes me how little modern coaching staffs and FOs seem to value pure running ability at the running back position.

                  On the one hand, this is a passing league, teams averaged a shade under 110 yards/game rushing last year and approx 225 yards/game passing. Only three teams got more than 40% of their yards on the ground and they all had running quarterbacks (Buffalo, Carolina, Dallas). So in many ways the run game is seen as a counterweight to the pass to keep the defense honest rather than an engine of offensive production. Having a dangerous or explosive running back is seen as merely a nice-to-have rather than a need-to-have.

                  This means that in the eyes of most coaches it is vital that runningbacks must pass block and receive at least as well as they run, as if the other team knows that a runningback can't do these things they know the team is likely to run if he's in there.

                  This isn't just a Broncos thing, its league-wide: why were Miami happy to let Jay Ajayi walk? 20-30 years ago he's probably seen as a franchise player. Why didn't Seattle view Marshawn Lynch in a similar manner? It seems that most coaches would rather have a player who is an average runner and an average receiver than a great runner and below average receiver - they value the utility guy more than the specialist.

                  To be fair, VJ has repeatedly stated words to the effect that there isn't really going to be a #1 running back, just different guys with differing attributes that are all used. Very few teams now feature a true #1 back in the way teams used to anyway. However I think they can all see that Freeman runs better and that will be used, I just don't think he'll sit on top of the depth chart untill later in the season when he's proved his blocking and receiving skills are up to snuff.

                  Nothing too unusual - promising rookies don't often unseat established vets in preseason - they have to do it in real games before they get the starter crown....

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                  • Originally posted by broncogary View Post
                    More importantly, does it work?
                    Do you even have to ask?

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                    • Originally posted by delany View Post
                      We will see. It certinaly is a new mindset. Which is great.

                      However the Rams have returned a team with a lot of FAs. How many starters are new to the team? Live snaps...even in preseason, would seem like the rewards would outweigh the risks of playing them as a unit.

                      Now a veteran, playoff team with limited turnover of staff or players....yeah. I agree to sit them for all of the PS.
                      Well, I'd say that it's not a new mindset. No other level of football has preseason games. College does just fine without them. So does high school. Training camp practice is more than enough to prepare for the season and evaluate the players.

                      If these games weren't making a lot of money, they wouldn't be played. I bet the coaches and players would love to get rid of them.

                      I don't make a habit of agreeing with Colin Cowherd, but I totally agree with his point on preseason games (I also agree with all five points that he made in the video).

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                      • Originally posted by Jason in LA View Post
                        Well, I'd say that it's not a new mindset. No other level of football has preseason games. College does just fine without them. So does high school. Training camp practice is more than enough to prepare for the season and evaluate the players.

                        If these games weren't making a lot of money, they wouldn't be played. I bet the coaches and players would love to get rid of them.

                        I don't make a habit of agreeing with Colin Cowherd, but I totally agree with his point on preseason games (I also agree with all five points that he made in the video).

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                        These games have to be played. Maybe not 4 but there’s no way coaching staffs can weed down 90 players to 53 on practice alone. Refs clearly need multiple games to be week 1 ready.


                        Who wants to see the first 3 weeks of the season be sloppy football?

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                        • Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                          These games have to be played. Maybe not 4 but there’s no way coaching staffs can weed down 90 players to 53 on practice alone. Refs clearly need multiple games to be week 1 ready.


                          Who wants to see the first 3 weeks of the season be sloppy football?
                          Yeah there is going to be 20 games no matter how you slice it. Some people think they should drop preseason to 18 games but that is never going to happen. They could go 2 and 18 regular season games but not sure how the players union would like that. I say just leave it alone since it's the only chance a lot of these guys have to make the league.

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                          • Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                            These games have to be played. Maybe not 4 but there’s no way coaching staffs can weed down 90 players to 53 on practice alone. Refs clearly need multiple games to be week 1 ready.


                            Who wants to see the first 3 weeks of the season be sloppy football?
                            Sure they can. Coaches can properly evaluate the players in training camp, and the first few weeks of the regular season wouldn't be sloppy. The Broncos players who are expected to contribute this year have played maybe three quarters worth of football this preseason. That's not a of football. They've done way more than that in practice. These games are all about money. That's it.

                            If the bulk of the starters and key contributors didn't play in the preseason, everybody would be just fine come week 1.

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                            • Originally posted by Jason in LA View Post
                              Sure they can. Coaches can properly evaluate the players in training camp, and the first few weeks of the regular season wouldn't be sloppy. The Broncos players who are expected to contribute this year have played maybe three quarters worth of football this preseason. That's not a of football. They've done way more than that in practice. These games are all about money. That's it.

                              If the bulk of the starters and key contributors didn't play in the preseason, everybody would be just fine come week 1.


                              Simply not true. These aren’t full padded practices. Can’t even hit as much with the new CBA rules. Today’s nfl is different from the past TCs.



                              This fanbase loved Tomlinson sitting out because it meant first 3 weeks were sloppy and sluggish for the Chargers. Not every player is the same. Sure some don’t need any time. But a lot of players do, such as ones winning the job.

                              Without preseason games, Lynch is the back up(he’s been decent in practice). Think about that. Preseason games are where your entire depth comes together. Terrell Davis doesn’t go into week 1 his rookie year as the RB1 without preseason. He started RB6 that year. That one hit landed him a job. He improved and progressed each preseason game. Some stars and vets don’t need it. Diamonds in the rough need it.
                              Last edited by Drunken.Broncoholic2; 08-29-2018, 09:32 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
                                Simply not true. These aren’t full padded practices. Can’t even hit as much with the new CBA rules. Today’s nfl is different from the past TCs.



                                This fanbase loved Tomlinson sitting out because it meant first 3 weeks were sloppy and sluggish for the Chargers. Not every player is the same. Sure some don’t need any time. But a lot of players do, such as ones winning the job.

                                Without preseason games, Lynch is the back up(he’s been decent in practice). Think about that.
                                I 100% disagree with you on this topic.

                                As for Lynch, it didn't take preseason games for Kelly to surpass him. I'd say that the coaches knew all along just from training camp, where he was not decent, and the plan was to give Kelly the No. 2 spot. Kelly was out performing Lynch all training camp. I'd say that they were hoping that Lynch would show something so that they could trade him, so they kept him in that spot longer than they wanted. They didn't want to kill what ever trade value that they were hoping that he would have by demoting him. Once it was obvious that he would not have any trade value, they made the switch to Kelly.

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