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    Man left the Earth on a tail of fire landing 2 men on the moon and returning them safely to the Earth.

    Spoiler alert, they made it there and back.

    One of the great speeches. Sadly we don't have a president who could issue the following challenge or even speak well in front of dictators.

    Anywho here is the text of JFK's speech at Rice university:

    TEXT OF PRESIDENT JOHN KENNEDY'S RICE STADIUM MOON SPEECH
    President Pitzer, Mr. Vice President, Governor, Congressman Thomas, Senator Wiley, and Congressman Miller, Mr. Webb, Mr. Bell, scientists, distinguished guests, and ladies and gentlemen:

    I appreciate your president having made me an honorary visiting professor, and I will assure you that my first lecture will be very brief.

    I am delighted to be here, and I'm particularly delighted to be here on this occasion.

    We meet at a college noted for knowledge, in a city noted for progress, in a State noted for strength, and we stand in need of all three, for we meet in an hour of change and challenge, in a decade of hope and fear, in an age of both knowledge and ignorance. The greater our knowledge increases, the greater our ignorance unfolds.

    Despite the striking fact that most of the scientists that the world has ever known are alive and working today, despite the fact that this Nation¹s own scientific manpower is doubling every 12 years in a rate of growth more than three times that of our population as a whole, despite that, the vast stretches of the unknown and the unanswered and the unfinished still far outstrip our collective comprehension.

    No man can fully grasp how far and how fast we have come, but condense, if you will, the 50,000 years of man¹s recorded history in a time span of but a half-century. Stated in these terms, we know very little about the first 40 years, except at the end of them advanced man had learned to use the skins of animals to cover them. Then about 10 years ago, under this standard, man emerged from his caves to construct other kinds of shelter. Only five years ago man learned to write and use a cart with wheels. Christianity began less than two years ago. The printing press came this year, and then less than two months ago, during this whole 50-year span of human history, the steam engine provided a new source of power.

    Newton explored the meaning of gravity. Last month electric lights and telephones and automobiles and airplanes became available. Only last week did we develop penicillin and television and nuclear power, and now if America's new spacecraft succeeds in reaching Venus, we will have literally reached the stars before midnight tonight.

    This is a breathtaking pace, and such a pace cannot help but create new ills as it dispels old, new ignorance, new problems, new dangers. Surely the opening vistas of space promise high costs and hardships, as well as high reward.

    So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space.

    William Bradford, speaking in 1630 of the founding of the Plymouth Bay Colony, said that all great and honorable actions are accompanied with great difficulties, and both must be enterprised and overcome with answerable courage.

    If this capsule history of our progress teaches us anything, it is that man, in his quest for knowledge and progress, is determined and cannot be deterred. The exploration of space will go ahead, whether we join in it or not, and it is one of the great adventures of all time, and no nation which expects to be the leader of other nations can expect to stay behind in the race for space.

    Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

    Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

    We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

    There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

    We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

    It is for these reasons that I regard the decision last year to shift our efforts in space from low to high gear as among the most important decisions that will be made during my incumbency in the office of the Presidency.

    In the last 24 hours we have seen facilities now being created for the greatest and most complex exploration in man's history. We have felt the ground shake and the air shattered by the testing of a Saturn C-1 booster rocket, many times as powerful as the Atlas which launched John Glenn, generating power equivalent to 10,000 automobiles with their accelerators on the floor. We have seen the site where the F-1 rocket engines, each one as powerful as all eight engines of the Saturn combined, will be clustered together to make the advanced Saturn missile, assembled in a new building to be built at Cape Canaveral as tall as a 48 story structure, as wide as a city block, and as long as two lengths of this field.

    Within these last 19 months at least 45 satellites have circled the earth. Some 40 of them were "made in the United States of America" and they were far more sophisticated and supplied far more knowledge to the people of the world than those of the Soviet Union.

    The Mariner spacecraft now on its way to Venus is the most intricate instrument in the history of space science. The accuracy of that shot is comparable to firing a missile from Cape Canaveral and dropping it in this stadium between the the 40-yard lines.

    Transit satellites are helping our ships at sea to steer a safer course. Tiros satellites have given us unprecedented warnings of hurricanes and storms, and will do the same for forest fires and icebergs.

    We have had our failures, but so have others, even if they do not admit them. And they may be less public.

    To be sure, we are behind, and will be behind for some time in manned flight. But we do not intend to stay behind, and in this decade, we shall make up and move ahead.

    The growth of our science and education will be enriched by new knowledge of our universe and environment, by new techniques of learning and mapping and observation, by new tools and computers for industry, medicine, the home as well as the school. Technical institutions, such as Rice, will reap the harvest of these gains.

    And finally, the space effort itself, while still in its infancy, has already created a great number of new companies, and tens of thousands of new jobs. Space and related industries are generating new demands in investment and skilled personnel, and this city and this State, and this region, will share greatly in this growth. What was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. Houston, your City of Houston, with its Manned Spacecraft Center, will become the heart of a large scientific and engineering community. During the next 5 years the National Aeronautics and Space Administration expects to double the number of scientists and engineers in this area, to increase its outlays for salaries and expenses to $60 million a year; to invest some $200 million in plant and laboratory facilities; and to direct or contract for new space efforts over $1 billion from this Center in this City.

    To be sure, all this costs us all a good deal of money. This year¹s space budget is three times what it was in January 1961, and it is greater than the space budget of the previous eight years combined. That budget now stands at $5,400 million a year--a staggering sum, though somewhat less than we pay for cigarettes and cigars every year. Space expenditures will soon rise some more, from 40 cents per person per week to more than 50 cents a week for every man, woman and child in the United Stated, for we have given this program a high national priority--even though I realize that this is in some measure an act of faith and vision, for we do not now know what benefits await us.

    But if I were to say, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on an untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--and do all this, and do it right, and do it first before this decade is out--then we must be bold.

    I'm the one who is doing all the work, so we just want you to stay cool for a minute. [laughter]

    However, I think we're going to do it, and I think that we must pay what needs to be paid. I don't think we ought to waste any money, but I think we ought to do the job. And this will be done in the decade of the sixties. It may be done while some of you are still here at school at this college and university. It will be done during the term of office of some of the people who sit here on this platform. But it will be done. And it will be done before the end of this decade.

    I am delighted that this university is playing a part in putting a man on the moon as part of a great national effort of the United States of America.

    Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, "Because it is there."

    Well, space is there, and we're going to climb it, and the moon and the planets are there, and new hopes for knowledge and peace are there. And, therefore, as we set sail we ask God's blessing on the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which man has ever embarked.

    Thank you.



    Whenever I start in on we choose to go to the moon, my kids finish the paragraph for me. It is a great motto to live by.
    Last edited by broncosteven; 07-21-2018, 12:11 PM.

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    Nixon had a speech already prepared in case they didn’t return. It’s kind of creepy reading it now.

    Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.

    These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.

    These two men are laying down their lives in mankind's most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.

    They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.

    In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.

    In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations.

    In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.

    Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man's search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.

    For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by broncosteven View Post
      We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
      And it only took 8 years to go from no man in space to man on the moon.

      I read somewhere that we would have landed man on Mars by 1981 if we would have continued the space race of the 1960s.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arkie View Post
        And it only took 8 years to go from no man in space to man on the moon.

        I read somewhere that we would have landed man on Mars by 1981 if we would have continued the space race of the 1960s.

        We should have.


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        • #5
          It was 49 years ago yesterday. I remember sitting on our patio and dad brought the TV out and we watched.

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          • #6
            As a 13 year old I watched every minute I could of the Apollo 11 TV coverage. So exciting. On twitter someone asked where everyone was 49 years ago during the historic event. This guy weighed in:

            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was on the Moon! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Apollo11?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Apollo 11</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NASA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NASA</a> <a href="https://t.co/6Nb2cQVU32">https://t.co/6Nb2cQVU32</a></p>&mdash; Buzz Aldrin (@TheRealBuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealBuzz/status/1020724421131194368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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            • #7
              Please OP, it was a government ruse

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wolf754life View Post
                Please OP, it was a government ruse

                That involved 6 separate moon landings over 10 years and roughly 400,000 people.

                But yeah. It was filmed in a little room under the White House. Totes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arkie View Post
                      And it only took 8 years to go from no man in space to man on the moon.

                      I read somewhere that we would have landed man on Mars by 1981 if we would have continued the space race of the 1960s.
                      It was 11. Project Mercury started in 1958. Shepard may have gone up in 1961 but it took 3 years to get to the point where they could do it. Took another half a year to get Glenn in orbit. Takes a long time to plan the mission, design the craft then build and test it. The funny part is that for Mercury they took ICBM's and converted them to launch men. Apollo and the Saturn series was the 1st launch vehicle built by the USA to launch men into space. The Saturn program started in 1960 and it took 8 years before they launched men on the IB version. Apollo 8 was the 1st launch of the Saturn V moon rocket. That said they needed the knowledge from Mercury in order to move on to Gemini then on to Apollo. The 3 staged program was very prudent as each had goals that lead to the next program.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by broncosteven View Post
                        It was 11. Project Mercury started in 1958. Shepard may have gone up in 1961 but it took 3 years to get to the point where they could do it. Took another half a year to get Glenn in orbit. Takes a long time to plan the mission, design the craft then build and test it. The funny part is that for Mercury they took ICBM's and converted them to launch men. Apollo and the Saturn series was the 1st launch vehicle built by the USA to launch men into space. The Saturn program started in 1960 and it took 8 years before they launched men on the IB version. Apollo 8 was the 1st launch of the Saturn V moon rocket. That said they needed the knowledge from Mercury in order to move on to Gemini then on to Apollo. The 3 staged program was very prudent as each had goals that lead to the next program.
                        so what you are saying is NASA is organized and knows how to plan a trip?
                        Golly, thanks for the inside info.

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                        • #13
                          First Man

                          Are you going to see First Man?

                          I wonder how accurate it will be? They’re not showing them planting the flag. It’s not cool to fly the flag anymore, but it was still cool in the 1960s.

                          True, it was a great leap for mankind, but it was also a victory over the Soviets in the space race. I just think you should try to represent the times during the movie’s setting and not let current events effect a historical movie. Just my opinion. Buzz Aldrin agrees.



                          Ryan Gosling and Neil Armstrong’s sons don’t necessarily agree.

                          https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...ntroversy.html

                          It depicts the 1969 mission to land men on the moon and return them safely. But the film does not show Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin unfurling and planting an American flag on the lunar surface. And its creators, including Gosling, say they view the moment as a human achievement more than an American one, and have suggested Armstrong did not believe he was an “American hero.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arkie View Post
                            Are you going to see First Man?

                            It depicts the 1969 mission to land men on the moon and return them safely. But the film does not show Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin unfurling and planting an American flag on the lunar surface. And its creators, including Gosling, say they view the moment as a human achievement more than an American one, and have suggested Armstrong did not believe he was an “American hero.”
                            If it not an American achievement when will the rest of the world reimburse us for the cost of the three programs including the loss of three astronauts. If he didn't believe he was an American hero why plant the flag in '69? Flying the flag isn't cool to a certain percentage of the population. I still think it's cool.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mnfan View Post
                              If it not an American achievement when will the rest of the world reimburse us for the cost of the three programs including the loss of three astronauts. If he didn't believe he was an American hero why plant the flag in '69? Flying the flag isn't cool to a certain percentage of the population. I still think it's cool.
                              Oh, yeah, and get off my yard.

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