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  • Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
    Also, this is probably meaningless but kinda funny... Allen was overthrowing people during the entire pro day. For some reason the announcers were fellating him, commenting on his arm strength, but again... he was over throwing them.

    Those weren't his teammates. Just randoms Jordan Palmer brought with him, and to be fair to Allen, most of those overthrows are catches with better receivers.

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    • Originally posted by peacepipe View Post
      Trading to 2 for Barkley would be stupid. This could some kind of smokescreen to keep Giants from asking for too big a ransom. A QB carries more value than a RB.
      So it would fit half your ideas in a majority of your posts?

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      • Originally posted by Archer81 View Post
        Those weren't his teammates. Just randoms Jordan Palmer brought with him, and to be fair to Allen, most of those overthrows are catches with better receivers.

        Great, let some other team draft the giraffe.

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        • Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
          Paxton Lynch was throwing precise darts far down the field in 30 mph winds on his pro day.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vR3qFKHP4UI




          Meant absolutely nothing other than getting him into the 1st round where he didn’t belong.
          Agreed, they ****ed up and totally ignored what type of mentality he has and if he was capable of learning a playbook.

          They need to ensure they can't get all of it. As fans and forum scouts, we have no clue who that will be.

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          • Originally posted by Strip Sacked View Post
            Great, let some other team draft the giraffe.

            Yup

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            • Originally posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
              Action would explode. He went off about taking an RB in the top 5....imagine if they use a top 5, 2019 1st rounder, and a couple more good picks to take an RB.... I just can’t see that happening...Barkley will fall if QBs are being traded up for.

              If Broncos make a trade with the Giants this early, it’s for a QB.
              He would promptly go to his Spa and drown himself in the Jacuzzi.

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              • Originally posted by Archer81 View Post
                Those weren't his teammates. Just randoms Jordan Palmer brought with him, and to be fair to Allen, most of those overthrows are catches with better receivers.

                He was working with them for 2 weeks. It’s not a great sign when accuracy is already your issue

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                • Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
                  He was working with them for 2 weeks. It’s not a great sign when accuracy is already your issue
                  He was overthrowing the short and intermediate routes?

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                  • Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
                    He was working with them for 2 weeks. It’s not a great sign when accuracy is already your issue

                    He missed on 4 or 5 out of 60, and on deep throws. Three of them were to the same guy, and one of those overthrows hit that WR in the hands and he dropped it. Allen had a good proday. You can see the arm talent and why scouts and some teams would be super interested.


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                    • Originally posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
                      its crazy thats scouts and GMs, year after year, fall in love with guys at pro days
                      Not possible, Gabriel told us that teams only care about private workouts.

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                      • Originally posted by Archer81 View Post
                        He missed on 4 or 5 out of 60, and on deep throws. Three of them were to the same guy, and one of those overthrows hit that WR in the hands and he dropped it. Allen had a good proday. You can see the arm talent and why scouts and some teams would be super interested.


                        This answers my question above.

                        I am not worried about his deep accuracy, it's more of him showing off his arm strength.

                        His accuracy needs to improve on the short and intermediate throws, not an 80 yard bomb.

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                        • Like Mike Lombardi says, Pro Days are nearly worthless. To illustrate this, he points out that the best pro day he ever saw was JaMarcus Russell and the worst was Peyton Manning.

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                          • Originally posted by broncosteven View Post
                            I am tired of people falling in love with big armed QB's. I think Fundamentals trump everything. If a guy has great mechanics, is smart, and has some size, between 6'3 and 6'5 he can be a great QB. Some of these strong armed guys rely too much on their arms, just look a Cutler, great arm talent but threw off his back foot and was stupid situationally.

                            The garbage bins of the NFL is littered with strong armed QB's.

                            Lynch
                            Jarmacus Russell
                            The dude from SD who was a total dick, got cut then got addicted to Vicodins.
                            The list goes on and on.
                            Jamarcus Russel and Ryan Leaf failed not because they didn't' have the talent, but because they were lazy, had no character and were arrogant idiots who thought they didn't have to work.

                            I'm not sure if the list goes on and on, but if it does, I"d like to see it.

                            To hear some people tell it in here, they'd rather have a guy who doesn't have a strong arm even though there are many types of quarterback traits that fail to transfer to the NFL. Among all QB;s drafted in the 1st round since 1990, about 50% have either been outright busts or they've significantly disappointed relative to their draft position. I have no doubt we remember the big arm guys the most, but does that mean they are more likely to bust? I doubt it. I'm thinking that the bust potential has more to do with other things, like work ethic, inability to process information quickly, inexperience in pro-style offenses, lack of enough college starting experience, injuries, bad fits for particular offenses, and yes...lack of an NFL throwing arm.

                            I keep waiting for someone...anyone...to come forth and tell Allen's story, because it's one you rarely hear. This guy's a very late bloomer, an extremely hard worker, and he played in a bad situation with minimal talent around him. I realize accuracy is important, but the arbitrary cutoff at 60% for a college passer doesn't necessarily tell you much about any one particular guy, and this might be one that it doesn't tell the whole story on.

                            All 4 of the top guys are risky, every one...so I'm not sure it's any more risky to gamble on a guy who is really just beginning to tap his potential vs one that may have already tapped out, especially when he does have that kind of arm.

                            Go look up his highlights. There's a pass in there that he throws while on the run to his right, throwing as he's off balance and heading out of bounds. It's a TD...and I've seen only one other arm in the NFL that I think could make that throw.

                            That guy is watching this guy...so it would not surprise me if he drafts him.

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                            • Originally posted by footstepsfrom#27 View Post
                              Jamarcus Russel and Ryan Leaf failed not because they didn't' have the talent, but because they were lazy, had no character and were arrogant idiots who thought they didn't have to work.

                              I'm not sure if the list goes on and on, but if it does, I"d like to see it.

                              To hear some people tell it in here, they'd rather have a guy who doesn't have a strong arm even though there are many types of quarterback traits that fail to transfer to the NFL. Among all QB;s drafted in the 1st round since 1990, about 50% have either been outright busts or they've significantly disappointed relative to their draft position. I have no doubt we remember the big arm guys the most, but does that mean they are more likely to bust? I doubt it. I'm thinking that the bust potential has more to do with other things, like work ethic, inability to process information quickly, inexperience in pro-style offenses, lack of enough college starting experience, injuries, bad fits for particular offenses, and yes...lack of an NFL throwing arm.

                              I keep waiting for someone...anyone...to come forth and tell Allen's story, because it's one you rarely hear. This guy's a very late bloomer, an extremely hard worker, and he played in a bad situation with minimal talent around him. I realize accuracy is important, but the arbitrary cutoff at 60% for a college passer doesn't necessarily tell you much about any one particular guy, and this might be one that it doesn't tell the whole story on.

                              All 4 of the top guys are risky, every one...so I'm not sure it's any more risky to gamble on a guy who is really just beginning to tap his potential vs one that may have already tapped out, especially when he does have that kind of arm.

                              Go look up his highlights. There's a pass in there that he throws while on the run to his right, throwing as he's off balance and heading out of bounds. It's a TD...and I've seen only one other arm in the NFL that I think could make that throw.

                              That guy is watching this guy...so it would not surprise me if he drafts him.
                              Add Lynch to the lazy entitled group that thought he didn’t need to work.

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                              • Originally posted by TheElusiveKyleOrton View Post
                                I mean, they are, and I don't think it's completely irrelevant. I just think you have to look at the whole package, especially when it comes to quarterback play.

                                But all the QBs have their own warts, and they're all quantifiable with like ONE statistical category.

                                With Mayfield, it's size. With Rosen, it's injuries. With Darnold, it's fumbles. With Allen, it's accuracy. Now, depending on the situation each one of these guys go to, those issues could rear their ugly heads in a big, big way, or they could not.

                                There were a few people here telling me I was nuts for saying I'd trade Denver's entire draft (somewhat of an exaggeration, but not that much) to the Browns to get Wentz, because "he didn't play anybody." But when you can play, you can play. He had the size, and arm strength, and attitude that made me really like him.

                                I like Allen in the same way. Not saying he's Wentz, but... we just don't know. And if we have the chance to draft him and he turns out to be magnificent after sitting a couple years, we won't be thrilled.
                                WOW so you are saying the might be good, or they might not be. You are saying their red flags might be a big deal, or they might not be. You are ****ing genius. Quit your day job as a gay porn fluffer and go be a scout.

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