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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jesterhole View Post
    I got to go to the game. Our D-backs actually played well a large portion of the game, but they weren't getting any help.

    The pass rush was terrible, and Dallas has too many talented guys to cover for 5-6 seconds play after play.

    Tony Carter and DRC both made mental mistakes on two huge plays, one to the rookie Williams and the other to Bryant. DRC got caught looking in the back field for a split second, and got torched, and Carter made a bone headed attempt to swipe at a pass instead of making a tackle.

    Chris Harris was out all of the 2nd half, Champ didn't play, and both WW and Ayers didn't play the second half either. And Von...

    Anyway, on top of it all, Romo was playing lights out. He was really amazing yesterday, better than Manning to be honest. If Dallas had an average QB in there, we win that game by 30.
    Romo had extra time because there was really terrible holding every frigging play.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Durango View Post
      While the drafts haven't been perfect by any means, this team has consistently managed to find both starting-level and depth talent that seems to've eluded the measureables-heavy, computer-driven tunnel vision that seems so prevalent across the NFL these days.
      I'm going to disagree with you. Citing bad teams for being computer-driven seems silly. I went to the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference this year. The NFL teams most heavily represented were definitely the better teams. The 49ers GM was on several panels. As was Jack Del Rio. In fact I sat behind Jack in a paper presentation on field goal prediction that basically said (indirectly) "Matt Prater is overpaid", which I thought was funny. These are the teams trying to be on the cutting edge of analytics in football.

      So to disparage being "computer-driven" as a habit of bad teams seems wrong. Now maybe if what you meant by that was being numbers-driven in the sense that Al Davis was always crazy about 40 times, sure. I definitely agree with you there. Drafting well requires a holistic approach that uses every tool available to analyze players and knowing the strengths and weakness of each tool. Analytics, statistics, and combine numbers are all valid tools. But yeah, tunnel vision is awful.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Durango View Post
        Given Elway & Co.'s signings of guys like Jackson, Clark & Harris, it doesn't surprise me that the scouting staff had an inside line on a talented unknown. While the drafts haven't been perfect by any means, this team has consistently managed to find both starting-level and depth talent that seems to've eluded the measureables-heavy, computer-driven tunnel vision that seems so prevalent across the NFL these days.
        Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the first things Elway did was overhaul the staff and add in heavy analytics to the organization?
        I could have sworn that was one of his big pushes. For more use of analytics and refinement of procedures through it.

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        • #19
          Big Webster fan as well. He already brings physicality to the position, and if he can learn some good cover skills the sky is the limit.

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          • #20
            I love Webster's game, he's big, physical(almost safety like in his physicality) and seems pretty heady.
            For all those who ask why you say a 5-11 198 lb CB is big. A normal CB is about 5-10 180-185 lb. They are also normally really sleek in their build(look at Champ, he's a bigger CB but still sleek). They tend to be good at coverage but can get taken advantage off by bigger WR's.

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            • #21
              I really think he's a starter next year. He had one bad play before the half, but he also was the only CB who had any luck with physical play on Dez. Really, the only DB who had a decent game. For being as stout as he is, dude is really fluid and explosive in space. Not very many DB's have that sort of shot out of a cannon explosiveness (pre injured Bob Sanders, Troy P, Revis etc.) Kid has that sort of ability. Now if he develops as that type of player remains to be seen, but pretty good start so far.

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              • #22
                After Witten gashed us in the first two touchdown drives and Wood/Trevathon couldn't cover him, they lined up Webster against Witten a lot for the rest of the game and Witten didn't get another catch till the 4th quarter.

                Really liked what I saw of him. He's was fast enough to keep up with Witten and strong enough not to get easily boxed out as well.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cito Pelon View Post
                  Webster is pretty good for a rookie. Made some impact plays already five games into his rookie season.
                  Who would have guessed five games in he'd be making a bigger impact (in a positive way) than the guys on the team drafted ahead of him...

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                  • #24
                    Just some amazing coaching going on in Denver. I'm trying to figure out if it is Del Rio or Fox...regardless, we should lock that guy up long term.

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                    • #25
                      The FO definitely found something in Webster. More than I can say for Bolden. That dude is fast but awful.

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                      • #26
                        Here's something I hadn't realized:

                        It was a rather quiet depth chart move, but one that was clear to see the first time the Broncos lined up in their nickel package Sunday, which was on the Cowboys' first offensive snap of the game. Rookie Kayvon Webster continues to be the most active member of the Broncos' first-year class. He was moved ahead of cornerback Tony Carter in the nickel, playing an outside spot when Chris Harris moved down into the slot. "He's a guy that's proved worthy," said Broncos coach John Fox Monday. "He's earned his playing time. These guys practice out here, we've watched practice, we watch the tape and he's performed well. He earned those reps." Webster has routinely shown up around the ball in his limited work. He's shown speed, aggressiveness and has been one of the team's better tacklers in the secondary. And the team felt good enough about what he can do to leave him in man-on-man situations. Webster knocked the ball free from Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant in the second quarter. In all Webster played 49 of the Broncos' 58 defensive snaps against the Cowboys.

                        http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...pecial-teams-3


                        BALL OUT KAYVON!!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bpc View Post
                          The FO definitely found something in Webster. More than I can say for Bolden. That dude is fast but awful.
                          I haven't seen anything out of Bolden that says he can play in this league as a DB.

                          Webster though, he looks fluid and athletic in tracking WRs.

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                          • #28
                            Bolden was one of the worst draft selections in recent memory. Blown ACL and we use an early fourth on him. Hopefully Webster's surprise selection can redeem that.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bpc View Post
                              The FO definitely found something in Webster. More than I can say for Bolden. That dude is fast but awful.
                              Even though the Cowboys scored on the next play, I appreciated Bolden chasing down Terrance Williams on the 79-yard play in the 4th quarter. He was a good 25 yards behind the play, when the catch was made.

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                              • #30
                                Webster played a lot against the Cowboys, not all of it equally great but he did well over all, that forced fumble was a thing of beauty. The team definitely likes him playing on the outside better than Tony Carter and I think the idea of drafting him was his combination of speed and size which projects well as an outside CB who will match up against bigger WRs.

                                The best play he has made this year was a batted pass in the end zone against Baltimore, Flacco was going to Stokley who ran a corner route and Webster just looked like he was jogging, stepped in front of the pass and put an arm up and batted it down.

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