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  • #61
    Originally posted by tsiguy96 View Post
    absolutely. he did not look good.
    I'm concerned that almost every time Ball is given the ball, the play call is supposed to go off left tackle, or a sweep left. and there was NOWHERE for him to go. He did well to get back to the LOS in most cases. This is also what he was given in PreSeason. Note to coaches: Ball cannot create running lanes ...that is O lines job. Stop calling sweep left calls if the O line doesn't block them at all.

    I agree that he needs to secure the ball near the goal line, but that was somewhat a fluke. But he also was gaining positive yards ....and he was running up the middle when that happened.

    Knowshown had a great game.... and he had some great blocking. I hope BOTH can keep up.

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    • #62
      Moreno's performance, along with Hillman's lack of playing time, makes one wonder if CJ Anderson could perhaps relegate Hillman to the inactive list in the near future...

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ScottXray View Post
        I'm concerned that almost every time Ball is given the ball, the play call is supposed to go off left tackle, or a sweep left. and there was NOWHERE for him to go. He did well to get back to the LOS in most cases. This is also what he was given in PreSeason. Note to coaches: Ball cannot create running lanes ...that is O lines job. Stop calling sweep left calls if the O line doesn't block them at all.

        I agree that he needs to secure the ball near the goal line, but that was somewhat a fluke. But he also was gaining positive yards ....and he was running up the middle when that happened.

        Knowshown had a great game.... and he had some great blocking. I hope BOTH can keep up.
        Wait, wait, wait. The line blocked great for Knowshon and the same line (sometimes on the same series), blocked like crap for Ball? I think it's more along the lines that the interior run blocking was pretty mediocre (at best) for both backs, but KM got off the snap quicky, ran with vision and finished with authority while grinding out 2 and 3 yards and occasionally 8, or 9 yard runs. Ball on the other hand just sort of got dropped every time he touched the ball regardless of blocking.

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        • #64
          It will be interest to see whether or not the team picks up the option for his sixth year. Either way, I think he is someone who should be a value re-signing because of what he brings to the table. He is sound in pass protection, catches well and seems to do the little things (that matter) right. Really a jack of all trades guy. You would think several years after the fact that people would let go to their idea of him being an Adrian Peterson-like back because of his draft status and just be pleased with the fact that he is a solid contributor. When he plays, he almost always is. He has improved on ball security and many other areas. I am glad he is here because Ball and Hillman have done squat.

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          • #65
            Moreno's matured quite a lot the last few years, but a big part of his success late last season and in the first two games of this season can largely be attributed to the offensive scheme. Not only is he finally well educated on the intricacies of the offense for really the first time in his career (young immature rookie in McDaniels' convoluted system, hurt/bench during the Tebow Era), but it also is the system that best plays to his skills.

            He's a single back set RB. He's strong in pass pro and his hands and fluidity as a receiver are exceptional for the RB position. In addition to his fit in the passing game though he just looks like a more comfortable runner without a fullback and instead with a TE to stretch his blocking laterally. He's always been a bit of a dancer but without a FB he appears much more decisive in hitting the first quality gap he sees and moving down field. Also, while his top end speed isn't all world his lateral quickness and acceleration are, allowing him to get to the outside behind quality pull blocks very quickly.

            He's basically everything this offense needs in a between the 20's RB.

            Compare that to Hillman who isn't good in pass pro, isn't a natural pass catcher, and is still tentative when forced to move laterally. Hillman is at his best when he's got daylight dead ahead and can turn the jets on. He could very well develop the more decisive lateral moves needed to find his own lanes but right now he relies on exceptional blocking to give him space to step on the gas.

            Montee Ball is something else entirely. I think he's largely just facing a ton of growing pains due to system change and the NFL strength/speed jump. He's not exceptionally big or exceptionally fast. He's a well rounded back with a balanced tool set and he needs to use all those tools to be successful. Right now he's clearly a bit shell shocked. Further, I think he looks really uncomfortable in a single back set. Wisconsin made heavy use of their fullback, hence why Bradie Ewing was a 5th round pick. Ball is used to more old school running schemes and now all of a sudden he's in an empty backfield with Manning calling out audibles like a deep south auctioneer when they just pulled a two cylinder era John Deere up on the block. I'm sure it's overwhelming and his head is swimming.

            But then this is why the FO retained Moreno in the first place. He's looking like a known quantity in this offense when healthy - a 10-15 carries at 4.0-4.5 YPC runner with 5-8 receptions for ~10 yards each in the passing game, all total giving you a back who with 15-25 catches can give you 100+ yards of offense. That's more than enough out of the backfield to let Manning run the intermediate to down field passing game as he sees fit without undue "cheating" by the defense.

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            • #66
              The excuses about Montee Ball now are extremely similar to those during Moreno's rookie season. I can't count how many times Knowshon ran between 0-3 yards his rookie/sophomore years and people claiming "He's doing what he can with that run blocking! He's doing a great job just getting back to the line!!!11" - we come to find out after several years and a stint of Willis McGahee showing how it's done that Moreno just wasn't very good.

              The bad news for Ball is that Moreno just McGahee'd Montee Ball by showing how to get good YPC behind a mediocre run blocking line.

              The good news for Ball is that, judging by Moreno's career path, he shouldn't be counted out by any means.

              Back to the thread topic - props to Knowshon. He is a solid contributor to a Super Bowl bound team. Regardless of your opinion of him, he is helping this team win.

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              • #67
                I actually like how they are using Moreno right now. They're not going crazy with how many attempts he has running the ball. He protects pretty well and he's always been very solid at catching the ball. I think the FO wanted Hillman on the field for a more explosive home run threat but it's just not working out that way. Ball will continue to get his touches, if for any other reason we need to see what we have in him. I also think, before season end, CJ is going to be in this mix people. It would not surprise me at all if by season end Moreno and CJ are on the field more then Ball and Hillman.

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                • #68
                  That was a really solid game by Moreno, two really strong TD runs on the outside, some good blocking and a key fumble recovery. I am not too hung up on who stands behind Manning in the pistol as long as that guy produces and Moreno definitely did. I am happy for him and this really reinforces the faith I have in this front office and coaching staff, they kept him around despite drafting RBs high, it is an open competition and they go with the guy that works.

                  I bet at some point before Santa comes down the chimney this year we will talk about Ball or Hillman having had a great game.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TonyR View Post
                    Moreno's performance, along with Hillman's lack of playing time, makes one wonder if CJ Anderson could perhaps relegate Hillman to the inactive list in the near future...
                    With the injury to Eddie Lacy... Moreno might be one of my starters in FF along with Arian Foster.

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                    • #70
                      Mcdaniels drafted him guys... Lets not forget that.






                      BUST.

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                      • #71
                        I would give the game ball to Moreno. Other than Peyton, he was the most consistent offensive player yesterday.

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                        • #72
                          I am all for giving Knowshon his well deserved props for playing lights out for us this game. But, I've seen this movie before. He's going to put together a couple of solid games, maybe even throw an outstanding performance in there, and right as I am beginning to think that he could be a feature back, he will go down with an injury and be done for the season.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by v2micca View Post
                            I am all for giving Knowshon his well deserved props for playing lights out for us this game. But, I've seen this movie before. He's going to put together a couple of solid games, maybe even throw an outstanding performance in there, and right as I am beginning to think that he could be a feature back, he will go down with an injury and be done for the season.
                            Aside from last year, when have you seen that movie before?

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                            • #74
                              I like his hustle. You can see that he loves the game.

                              He has the fire.

                              Staying healthy is not easy in this league.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by razorwire77 View Post
                                Wait, wait, wait. The line blocked great for Knowshon and the same line (sometimes on the same series), blocked like crap for Ball? I think it's more along the lines that the interior run blocking was pretty mediocre (at best) for both backs, but KM got off the snap quicky, ran with vision and finished with authority while grinding out 2 and 3 yards and occasionally 8, or 9 yard runs. Ball on the other hand just sort of got dropped every time he touched the ball regardless of blocking.
                                Maybe I am nuts, but if you look at where the play is designed to go and what happens in the blocking , it seems as if they call a majority of runs for Ball to go off left tackle, and most often there is nowhere to run, as the blocking is poor. Very few runs to the center or right, and when he has run to those areas, he is getting good yardage, or at least what you'd expect for a rookie.

                                Moreno (and Hillman somewhat) have mainly gotten runs to the center and right side, and consequently have looked better. Moreno has made the most of it and definitely is seeing and reacting better, as he should. No question that he is the better back, for now.

                                Perhaps Ball is not seeing the field, and running lanes as well, but he also is being handed a less favorable play call, as the offense isn't executing those left side runs well, at all. I pointed this same fact out in pre season...Ball always seemed to get a called run to the left side, and was stuffed then too.
                                Of course Clady was out and Clark in then.

                                Maybe someone on the line ( Or TE) is giving a TELL that other teams have picked up on on left side runs, but we have been poor at it no matter who is carrying the ball.

                                Anyway, Ball is a Rookie, but I think he will do fine when it is all said and done.

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