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  • Originally posted by bendog View Post
    When your qb cannot see open receivers underneath, and the defense takes the run and deep throw, you can't blame the oline. Overrated though they are.
    Tebow has thrown several very nice short throws in this game...which were promptly dropped. And the "drops happen to everyone" line of reasoning just doesn't hold up. They have dropped four or five passes on 12 attempts. That's a 25% drop rate. It's ridiculous.

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    • I may have been mistaken in my previous analysis.

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      • just heard an interview on KOA from yesterday afternoon with John Elway. John said the coaching staff was not pleased with the interior OL in the scrimage and was the focus on offense at practice this week.

        Beadles and Walton better get their **** together

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        • Originally posted by bronco militia View Post
          just heard an interview on KOA from yesterday afternoon with John Elway. John said the coaching staff was not pleased with the interior OL in the scrimage and was the focus on offense at practice this week.

          Beadles and Walton better get their **** together
          Are they honestly surprised? I mean seriously?

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          • Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
            Are they honestly surprised? I mean seriously?
            I don't understand how an idiot like me can see the issues from my tv and people like John and John don't see them immediately and take action.

            Anyone have a thought about the possibility of Kuper playing center? I would love to move Franklin to right guard and Ryan Harris to RT.

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            • Originally posted by bronco militia View Post
              just heard an interview on KOA from yesterday afternoon with John Elway. John said the coaching staff was not pleased with the interior OL in the scrimage and was the focus on offense at practice this week.

              Beadles and Walton better get their **** together
              Thanks again McD!

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              • Originally posted by DBroncos4life View Post
                Thanks again McD!
                Ah the tiny tyrant... what a mess he made of things.

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                • Broncos to test middlemen on both offense, defense in preseason opener
                  Offensively, unlike Tebow, Manning will be looking to stay in the pocket. So, any pressure the Broncos allow up the middle will be right in Manning's workspace. Manning is one of the best in league history at protecting himself by getting rid of the ball. Yet even a quarterback as accomplished as he will find the going tough if the Broncos can't keep the defense off the front porch.

                  Opposing defensive coordinators have said center J.D. Walton and left guard Zane Beadles are often targets.

                  Read more: Broncos to test middlemen on both offense, defense in preseason opener - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz234wlHUPO
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                  • Originally posted by bronco militia View Post
                    just heard an interview on KOA from yesterday afternoon with John Elway. John said the coaching staff was not pleased with the interior OL in the scrimage and was the focus on offense at practice this week.

                    Beadles and Walton better get their **** together
                    Hey Kuper is part of that group also and he is still not 100% may not be all year..

                    easy to blame Joshes guys when it may be the group.

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                    • Originally posted by DBroncos4life View Post
                      Thanks again McD!
                      McD may have drafted them, but he hasn't been the one who has consistently failed to replace them.

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                      • Originally posted by Irish Stout View Post
                        Ah the tiny tyrant... what a mess he made of things.
                        He walked into a fubar OL..

                        with only Kuper and Clady worth a LONG TERM crap..
                        IIRC then Clady ****ed up his knee playing unauthorized basketball..

                        Tanahans Ol was undersized at best and has been struggling with Pass protect since 06 when they changed their blocking schemes.. ZBS does/did not help much in drop back passing protection..

                        how do you expect a 280-285 pound OC or OG to block a 320-360 pound DT or NT.. the laws of physics clearly show this to be a mismatch..


                        Josh addressed this with bringing in Hochstein to replace the OLG that was clearly getting beat along with the old man in the center.. Forget their names..

                        He drafted two replacements the next year when they realized that our OL coach who told Josh his OL could handle a change in scheme, was not worth a crap either..

                        Are thet the long term answer Maybe not but had
                        Tanahans old line still been here God only knows how bad things would be..

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                        • Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post
                          McD may have drafted them, but he hasn't been the one who has consistently failed to replace them.
                          that is easy to say.. but unless you're drafting a sure-fire top 15 OL guy they do not all come out of the draft at Clady speed..

                          it takes time to coach them up and determine IF they are worth keeping.. and constant change on the OL is perhaps harder to overcome than any other spot/area in the team..

                          These guys have to instinctively know what the guy next to him is going to do in EVERY situation..there can be NO hesitation at all.. or the DL is gonna kill your QB or RB..


                          They drafted a guy or two IIRC for backup and pushing the starters. Not sure what else you can expect of them considering all the other holes that were left by the last TWO HC/GMs they replaced..

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                          • Originally posted by lonestar View Post
                            how do you expect a 280-285 pound OC or OG to block a 320-360 pound DT or NT.. the laws of physics clearly show this to be a mismatch..
                            That's what the Packers thought in SB 32.

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                            • Originally posted by Beantown Bronco View Post
                              That's what the Packers thought in SB 32.

                              yes and now it is working .. SEE PIT and NYG they eat our ZBS alive..

                              back then we had a mastermind QB a world-class RB and some WR and a HOF TE and OLT that made a difference..

                              then the ZBS was new and now it is old and lots of defenses have shut it down..

                              what do we have now a HOF QB and after that not much.. does any of the rest of the talent come close to matching what we had in the super blow years..

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                              • Originally posted by lonestar View Post
                                He walked into a fubar OL..
                                McD was in a position to draft both Maurkice Pouncey and Bryan Bulaga in the 2010 draft. Instead he took an EXTREME reach on Tim Tebow (who would have been on the board when Zane Beadles was selected), and drafted an unproven (and injured) WR in Demaryius Thomas (after trading away Brandon Marshall days before the draft).

                                Pouncey and Bulaga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walton and Beadles

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