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    I'm as disgusted as anyone over the way the season finished but I can't for the life of me see why people think it's a QB 'problem' ?

    His '09 numbers are almost identical to Cutler's '08 numbers (Which earned Cutler a Pro Bowl trip....yikes!)

    Jay Cutler last year with the Broncos:

    QBR: 86.8
    Y/C: 11.8
    Y/A: 7.3
    %: 62,3
    TD: 25
    INT: 18
    Team record: 8-8

    Kyle Orton this year with the Broncos:

    QBR: 86.0
    Y/C: 11.3
    Y/A: 7.0
    %: 62.1
    TD: 21
    INT: 12
    Team record: 8-8

    Let's look at that in reverse also....

    '08 Orton with the Bears:

    QBR: 79.6
    Y/C: 10.9
    Y/A: 6.4
    %: 58.5
    TD: 18
    INT: 12
    Team record: 9-7

    '09 Cutler with the Bears:
    QBR: 76.8
    Y/C: 10.9
    Y/A: 6.6
    %: 60.5
    TD: 27
    INT: 26
    Team record: 7-9

    So how is it that people think we need to draft a QBOTF this year when they were perfectly happy with Jay in that role? They performed damn near identical in each others systems.

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    • #3
      It's not the numbers. The game is about more than numbers.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford View Post
        I purposely left out any comparison between their seasons this year b/c I knew the obvious response would be to say that the O-lines & skill position talent were so different.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Broncos4tw View Post
          It's not the numbers. The game is about more than numbers.
          Record? Leadership abilities? Not having beetus? QB rating?

          Orton wins all of those too.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford View Post
            Record? Leadership abilities? Not having beetus? QB rating?

            Orton wins all of those too.
            If you are unable to fathom what makes a franchise QB and what doesn't, I cannot help you.

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            • #7
              I was lead to believe that Cutler sucked and his stats from last year were high because we played from behind all the time. Also his Pro Bowl invite was only because of fans and it should have went to Rivers instead. Orton having numbers that are about the same as Culters would mean the same right?

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              • #8
                See, you guys don't get it.

                Jay's got a rocket arm!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Broncos4tw View Post
                  If you are unable to fathom what makes a franchise QB and what doesn't, I cannot help you.
                  You are so clever, can I subscribe to your newsletter?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Broncos4tw View Post
                    It's not the numbers. The game is about more than numbers.
                    You're right...it's also about perception.

                    We all know that Jay has a stronger arm & is more mobile but the fact remains that Orton's year was statistically equivalent to Cutler's *pro bowl* 2008....With the basically the same O-line & WR's.

                    The game may be about more than numbers but stats are how QB's get judged and compared.

                    Cutler got 4,500 yards b/c all they did was throw. But the completion %, yards per completion and yards per attempt are basically the same.

                    Orton was to the Broncos what Cutler was last year. Cutler was to the Bears what Orton was last year.

                    So why is Jay perceived to be a rocket armed gunslinger and Orton is a dinking and dunking journeyman game manager?

                    If people want to bag on Orton for not being Manning, Brady or Brees, that's one thing. I wish Denver had a QB like that also. But this whole Orton needs to go ASAP is nonsense....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Broncos4tw View Post
                      If you are unable to fathom what makes a franchise QB and what doesn't, I cannot help you.
                      I am not calling either a 'franchise' QB.

                      I'm just genuinely curious why people think Orton is a downgrade from Cutler.

                      I don't recall anyone saying last December that Denver needs to draft a QBOTF to replace Jay. Why?

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                      • #12
                        Where are Cutler and Orton playing next week?

                        Same place. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HAT View Post
                          I am not calling either a 'franchise' QB.

                          I'm just genuinely curious why people think Orton is a downgrade from Cutler.

                          I don't recall anyone saying last December that Denver needs to draft a QBOTF to replace Jay. Why?
                          Did you watch any of the games? Do you understand the game of football, or are you just dumb?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bpc View Post
                            Where are Cutler and Orton playing next week?

                            Same place. Stats don't always tell the whole story.
                            Right...No play-offs and it sucks. Not the point of this thread.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HAT View Post
                              I'm as disgusted as anyone over the way the season finished but I can't for the life of me see why people think it's a QB 'problem' ?

                              His '09 numbers are almost identical to Cutler's '08 numbers (Which earned Cutler a Pro Bowl trip....yikes!)

                              Jay Cutler last year with the Broncos:

                              QBR: 86.8
                              Y/C: 11.8
                              Y/A: 7.3
                              %: 62,3
                              TD: 25
                              INT: 18
                              Team record: 8-8

                              Kyle Orton this year with the Broncos:

                              QBR: 86.0
                              Y/C: 11.3
                              Y/A: 7.0
                              %: 62.1
                              TD: 21
                              INT: 12
                              Team record: 8-8

                              Let's look at that in reverse also....

                              '08 Orton with the Bears:

                              QBR: 79.6
                              Y/C: 10.9
                              Y/A: 6.4
                              %: 58.5
                              TD: 18
                              INT: 12
                              Team record: 9-7

                              '09 Cutler with the Bears:
                              QBR: 76.8
                              Y/C: 10.9
                              Y/A: 6.6
                              %: 60.5
                              TD: 27
                              INT: 26
                              Team record: 7-9

                              So how is it that people think we need to draft a QBOTF this year when they were perfectly happy with Jay in that role? They performed damn near identical in each others systems.
                              I don't know what this was suppose to show. I wasn't very pleased with Cutler last year. Both of their stats looked really good when they were throwing game changing INT's.

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