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    Would you like ice in that lemon aid Wags?

    The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’
    Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.
    But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.

    Read more at http://libertycrier.com/stunning-sat...glY2YlyokAi.99

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    Are there any sources beside "The Liberty Crier" that confirm this?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post
      Are there any sources beside "The Liberty Crier" that confirm this?
      Don't know do a search should be easy to verify.

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      • #4
        http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
        Basically it is well below average, but significantly better than the worst recorded level in history.

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        • #5
          the point is it's increased

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          • #6
            ^

            Where is the confirmation re: an "Increase Of 1.7million Square Kilometres?"

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            • #7
              Ooops...

              No, You Can’t Claim Arctic Ice Is “Recovering”



              By Phil Plait

              <figure class="image inline left" style="width: 354px; "> Drawing by lilmallugirl/Shutterstock
              </figure>

              Sigh. Here we go again.

              The Daily Mail and Mail Online are to scientific accuracy what a sledgehammer is to an egg. Especially when it comes to global warming.

              David Rose is oftentimes the wielder of that sledgehammer. He’s written error-laden climate articles in the past, like saying that global warming has stopped (no, it hasn’t), that the world is cooling (no, it really really isn’t), and that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to hold a crisis meeting because Rose’s articles have caused such a fuss (that meeting never happened, which Rose had been told several times, but he still made the claim). Other examples abound.

              This time, in Sunday’s Mail Online he writes that Arctic sea ice, which hit a major record low in 2012, “has expanded for the second year in succession.”

              This claim is a humdinger, and typical denial double-speak. It’s technically true, but also really wrong. It’s like examining someone who has a 106° fever and saying it’s really made their skin glow. But what do you expect from an article that has this breathless headline:
              Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now
              “Myth of arctic meltdown” is enough to tell you just how slanted and wrong the conclusions of this article will be … and the inclusion of Al Gore’s name brings it home. Mentioning Gore is at best a distraction, red meat to the deniers. Gore isn’t a climate scientist, and as we well know actual climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that the world is warming. One of the outcomes of this is the decline of Arctic sea ice.

              <section class="about-the-author fancy inline with-head"> <header> Phil Plait </header>
              Phil Plait writes Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog and is an astronomer, public speaker, science evangelizer, and author of Death From the Skies!

              </section>
              Briefly: Arctic sea ice reaches a minimum in late September every year. The overall trend for the amount of ice at that time is decreasing; in other words, there is less ice all the time. Some years there is more than others, some less. But the trend is down, down, down.

              In 2012, a mix of unusual causes created conditions where the minimum reached a record low, far below normal. The next year, in 2013, the ice didn’t reach quite so low a minimum extent, and this year looks very much the same as 2013. But saying the ice is “recovering” is, to put it delicately, what comes out the south end of a north-facing bull. You can’t compare two years with a record low the year before that was due to unusual circumstances; you have to look at the average over time.

              Of course, if you do, your claims that global warming isn’t real melt away.

              I’m happy to provide that information. Here’s the Arctic ice extent graphed by the National Snow and Ice Data Center:

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              • #8
                “Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reduction in snow and ice, and in global mean-sea-level rise; and it is extremely likely to have been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the draft report said. “The risk of abrupt and irreversible change increases as the magnitude of the warming increases.”
                http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/sc...er=rss&emc=rss

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                • #9
                  Like everything else, the facts, and action on climate change have been co-opted by corporations:

                  The climate change march in New York on Sept. 21, expected to draw as many as 200,000 people, is one of the last gasps of conventional liberalism’s response to the climate crisis. It will take place two days before the actual gathering of world leaders in New York called by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to discuss the November 2015 U.N. Climate Conference in Paris. The marchers will dutifully follow the route laid down by the New York City police. They will leave Columbus Circle, on West 59th Street and Eighth Avenue, at 11:30 a.m. on a Sunday and conclude on 11th Avenue between West 34th and 38th streets. No one will reach the United Nations, which is located on the other side of Manhattan, on the East River beyond First Avenue—at least legally. There will be no speeches. There is no list of demands. It will be a climate-themed street fair.

                  The march, because its demands are amorphous, can be joined by anyone. This is intentional. But as activist Anne Petermann has pointed out, this also means some of the groups backing the march are little more than corporate fronts. The Climate Group, for example, which endorses the march, includes among its members and sponsors BP, China Mobile, Dow Chemical Co., Duke Energy, HSBC, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Greenstone. The Environmental Defense Fund, which says it “work[s] with companies rather than against them” and which is calling on its members to join the march, has funding from the oil and gas industry and supports fracking as a form of alternative energy. These faux environmental organizations are designed to neutralize resistance. And their presence exposes the march’s failure to adopt a meaningful agenda or pose a genuine threat to power.

                  http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...erals_20140831

                  You don't have to physically beat people down to make them powerless.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post
                    Ooops...

                    No, You Can’t Claim Arctic Ice Is “Recovering”



                    By Phil Plait

                    <figure class="image inline left" style="width: 354px; "> Drawing by lilmallugirl/Shutterstock
                    </figure>

                    Sigh. Here we go again.

                    The Daily Mail and Mail Online are to scientific accuracy what a sledgehammer is to an egg. Especially when it comes to global warming.

                    David Rose is oftentimes the wielder of that sledgehammer. He’s written error-laden climate articles in the past, like saying that global warming has stopped (no, it hasn’t), that the world is cooling (no, it really really isn’t), and that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to hold a crisis meeting because Rose’s articles have caused such a fuss (that meeting never happened, which Rose had been told several times, but he still made the claim). Other examples abound.

                    This time, in Sunday’s Mail Online he writes that Arctic sea ice, which hit a major record low in 2012, “has expanded for the second year in succession.”

                    This claim is a humdinger, and typical denial double-speak. It’s technically true, but also really wrong. It’s like examining someone who has a 106° fever and saying it’s really made their skin glow. But what do you expect from an article that has this breathless headline:
                    Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now
                    “Myth of arctic meltdown” is enough to tell you just how slanted and wrong the conclusions of this article will be … and the inclusion of Al Gore’s name brings it home. Mentioning Gore is at best a distraction, red meat to the deniers. Gore isn’t a climate scientist, and as we well know actual climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that the world is warming. One of the outcomes of this is the decline of Arctic sea ice.

                    <section class="about-the-author fancy inline with-head"> <header> Phil Plait </header>
                    Phil Plait writes Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog and is an astronomer, public speaker, science evangelizer, and author of Death From the Skies!

                    </section>
                    Briefly: Arctic sea ice reaches a minimum in late September every year. The overall trend for the amount of ice at that time is decreasing; in other words, there is less ice all the time. Some years there is more than others, some less. But the trend is down, down, down.

                    In 2012, a mix of unusual causes created conditions where the minimum reached a record low, far below normal. The next year, in 2013, the ice didn’t reach quite so low a minimum extent, and this year looks very much the same as 2013. But saying the ice is “recovering” is, to put it delicately, what comes out the south end of a north-facing bull. You can’t compare two years with a record low the year before that was due to unusual circumstances; you have to look at the average over time.

                    Of course, if you do, your claims that global warming isn’t real melt away.

                    I’m happy to provide that information. Here’s the Arctic ice extent graphed by the National Snow and Ice Data Center:
                    I was going to make a much shorter and less detailed reply, but this will do.

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                    • #11
                      So what the author is saying is that it's wrong to start from 2012 because that shows too much progress without the big asterisk. So with that said, why is it that alarmists (the Al Gore's of the world) are allowed to use 2012 to show how dire it is/was?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Johnykbr View Post
                        So what the author is saying is that it's wrong to start from 2012 because that shows too much progress without the big asterisk. So with that said, why is it that alarmists (the Al Gore's of the world) are allowed to use 2012 to show how dire it is/was?
                        Because it isn't progress. It is regression back to a mean that is in consistent decline. I will use the same fever metaphor from the linked article, but make it slightly more relevant:

                        A person has an increasing fever over a period of weeks and is getting up to 104. Then one day it spikes to 105.5. It then falls back to 104, but stays there for 2 consecutive days. That does not mean that the fever is getting better.

                        If it continues to improve over the next 10 years, then it will give us some hope.

                        Using 2012 to show how dire it is could absolutely be construed as a similarly intellectually dishonest strategy, but was used to get people to open their eyes to something that is actually happening instead of what they wish was happening.

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                        • #13
                          <iframe width="590" height="332" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Hbne3q9Xers" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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                          • #14
                            Where is my beach off the coast of AZ?

                            I heard that was going to happen too

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ludo21 View Post
                              Where is my beach off the coast of AZ?

                              I heard that was going to happen too
                              Yeah - I've heard the same straw man argument from the right.

                              Right up there with "it's cold this winter, therefore global warming must be a myth."

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