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  • Randi cynics lose 9/11 physics debate

    Randi could not produce a single physicist willing to debate

    The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) purports to defend the official story of 9/11. But its “defense” consists mainly of ad hominem attacks against critics of the official tale – a strong indication that the government’s version of 9/11 cannot be defended using logic and evidence.

    Most of the JREF smear artists hide behind pseudonyms. Compare the short list of anonymous, un-credentialed mud-slingers at JREF to the long list of real people with real credentials using real names at PatriotsQuestion911.com, and ask yourself: Why are so many people willing to risk their jobs and reputations for the truth, while so few will openly defend a lie at no real risk to themselves? The question, I suspect, answers itself. The key word is integrity.

    JREF’s latest humiliation: Losing a $1,000 debate challenge from the Association for 9/11 Truth Awareness (ANETA). Last month Rick Shaddock and Michael Frishman of ANETA began posting the 9/11 Physics Debate challenge on the JREF forum. At issue is whether or not the official story of 9/11 violates the laws of physics. Qualified physicists with a Hirsch Index of 50 or higher were invited to participate. (The Hirsch Index is a rating of scholarly stature.)
    Dr. David Griscom, a Ph.D. in physics from Brown University, stepped forward to defend the proposition that yes, the official story of 9/11 does indeed violate the laws of physics, including Newton’s 1st, 2nd, and 3rd laws. Dr. Griscom’s Hirsch Index is a very respectable 52.


    ANETA posted the debate challenge on the JREF forum, hoping that an equally credentialed physicist would quickly step forward to defend mom, apple pie, and the official myth of 9/11. Unfortunately, it seems there are few real names at JREF, and even fewer people (if indeed the JREF entities are actual people) with scholarly credentials. Rather than respond to the challenge, the JREF moderators kept removing ANETA’s debate challenge posts.

    But one of the few JREFers with a real name and a modicum of integrity – a certain Chris Mohr – took it upon himself to create his own thread: “9/11 Physics Debate – Any Takers?” The result was typical of JREF: Lots of insults, but no qualified people willing to defend the official story. The only person at JREF willing to debate Dr. Griscom was an entity labeled “Frank3373″ who claimed to hold a BA in Liberal Arts with no science courses – and a Hirsch Index of zero!

    Couldn’t the JREFers, who fancy themselves experts in everything pertaining to the defense of the official myth of 9/11, find even ONE credentialed physicist willing to debate Dr. Griscom? At stake: $1,000 for the winner to donate to a charity of his or her choice.

    When the date of the big debate arrived – Saturday, March 15th – there was a resounding silence from the official story side. Evidently no qualified physicist on earth could explain how the government’s version of the destruction of the World Trade Center can coexist with the basic laws of physics.

    The result: Dr. Griscom won by default. At 3 pm Eastern on Saturday, March 15th, Rick Shaddock of ANETA awarded the $1,000 prize to Dr. Griscom – who, for some unfathomable reason, chose not to give the money to the James Randi Educational Foundation. Instead, Dr. Griscom decided to use it to help fund the New Independent Lab WTC Dust Study being organized by Mark Basile.

    Here's more on the debate
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m8XaLdGKBw

  • #2
    What's with your hard-on for JREF? Did they pee in your cheerios?

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    • #3
      JREF’s latest humiliation: Losing a $1,000 debate challenge from the Association for 9/11 Truth Awareness (ANETA). Last month Rick Shaddock and Michael Frishman of ANETA began posting the 9/11 Physics Debate challenge on the JREF forum. At issue is whether or not the official story of 9/11 violates the laws of physics. Qualified physicists with a Hirsch Index of 50 or higher were invited to participate. (The Hirsch Index is a rating of scholarly stature.)
      Dr. David Griscom, a Ph.D. in physics from Brown University, stepped forward to defend the proposition that yes, the official story of 9/11 does indeed violate the laws of physics, including Newton’s 1st, 2nd, and 3rd laws. Dr. Griscom’s Hirsch Index is a very respectable 52.
      I love love love this idea. Let's find someone to up the anti, offer 1 million and see what happens. Oh and televise the debate.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by baja View Post
        I love love love this idea. Let's find someone to up the anti, offer 1 million and see what happens. Oh and televise the debate.
        Why should a person take the time to "debate" a quack? Debates are not even remotely good tools in which to find truth. The winner of a debate is almost always the person with better debate skills (both honest and dishonest skills), not necessarily the person who is actually correct.

        See the plethora of highly charismatic creationists who routinely "win" debates claiming the Earth is 6,000 yo.

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        • #5
          for exposure

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
            Why should a person take the time to "debate" a quack? Debates are not even remotely good tools in which to find truth. The winner of a debate is almost always the person with better debate skills (both honest and dishonest skills), not necessarily the person who is actually correct.

            See the plethora of highly charismatic creationists who routinely "win" debates claiming the Earth is 6,000 yo.
            Or the last two Presidential elections?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
              Why should a person take the time to "debate" a quack? Debates are not even remotely good tools in which to find truth. The winner of a debate is almost always the person with better debate skills (both honest and dishonest skills), not necessarily the person who is actually correct.

              See the plethora of highly charismatic creationists who routinely "win" debates claiming the Earth is 6,000 yo.
              Very interesting comparison. That claim you reference is on par with that which our own federal government would have us believe happened on the date 9/11.
              Last edited by baja; 05-28-2014, 03:43 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                Why should a person take the time to "debate" a quack? Debates are not even remotely good tools in which to find truth. The winner of a debate is almost always the person with better debate skills (both honest and dishonest skills), not necessarily the person who is actually correct.

                See the plethora of highly charismatic creationists who routinely "win" debates claiming the Earth is 6,000 yo.
                WINNER

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                • #9
                  They didn't show up because they don't want to lend any credibility to the ridiculous claim of the troofers. I guess you could call that a victory, depending on your definition of the word.

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                  • #10
                    This is exactly the same **** AGW deniers pull.

                    WTF does "the official story of 9/11 does indeed violate the laws of physics" mean, anyway?

                    Pure BS.

                    PS - gaffe, how many Jews died in the Holocaust?

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                    • #11
                      Non story that isn't remotely as embarrassing as Gaffney's fellow con man and idol, Richard Gage, making a total ass of himself and getting publicly humilitaed by the AIA.

                      From 'The Architect,' the AIA's member magazine.

                      Architects Shy From Truther 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

                      Architects didn't show up for a 9/11-architecture-conspiracy documentary screening—
                      and the AIA doesn't want its name associated with Trutherism.


                      The former employee of the Walnut Creek, Calif.-based architectural firm Akol & Yoshii is a full-time 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but
                      Gage tries to maintain a façade of being a scientist asking scientific questions. All of Gage’s so-called evidence has been rebutted in
                      peer-reviewed papers

                      Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member.

                      The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political activists.

                      Gage was once warned by AIA not to spread the misimpression that there is a relationship between the two organizations, after he wrote a letter to
                      Congress stating that more than 100 members of AIA who signed his petition were demanding a new investigation into 9/11.
                      http://www.architectmagazine.com/arc...cy-theory.aspx

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by baja View Post
                        I love love love this idea. Let's find someone to up the anti, offer 1 million and see what happens. Oh and televise the debate.
                        Even a $10,000 prize might attract media coverage.

                        I would relish watching credentialed physicists having at it.

                        But I strongly doubt the supporters of the official conspiracy theory will be able to find a qualified PhD level physicist willing to defend their side.
                        MHG

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post
                          But I strongly doubt the supporters of the official conspiracy theory will be able to find a qualified PhD level physicist willing to defend their side.
                          Why would a public debate settle things when the troofers haven't published anything that's been peer-reviewed in a reputable journal? That's where the discussion is.

                          BTW, how many Jews died in the Holocaust, Der gaffenfuehrer?

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                          • #14
                            Start with these questions:

                            1. Why does the US media expose the American people to a continuous 24 X 7 flood of war propaganda -- and lies about 9/11 and many other issues?

                            Ans: 95% of the media is owned by the plutocracy.

                            2. Why did the Democrats fail to prosecute the war criminals (i.e., Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc) who lied the nation into Iraq and Afghanistan?

                            Ans: because both parties are owned by the plutocracy. there is no true opposition party in the land.

                            3. Why do world polls show that the US and Israel pose the greatest threat to world peace?

                            Ans. Because it is true!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post
                              Start with these questions:

                              1. Why does the US media expose the American people to a continuous 24 X 7 flood of war propaganda -- and lies about 9/11 and many other issues?

                              Ans: 95% of the media is owned by the plutocracy.

                              2. Why did the Democrats fail to prosecute the war criminals (i.e., Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc) who lied the nation into Iraq and Afghanistan?

                              Ans: because both parties are owned by the plutocracy. there is no true opposition party in the land.

                              3. Why do world polls show that the US and Israel pose the greatest threat to world peace?

                              Ans. Because it is true!
                              One more for ya...

                              4. Why is Der gaffe-fuehrer so hateful of the US and Israel?

                              Ans. Because he's a human-hating neo-Nazi fyookwad.

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