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    The rightwads are pulling out all the stops

    Republicans Tighten Grip on Debates in 2016 Race
    MEMPHIS — The Republican National Committee moved Friday to seize control of the presidential primary debates in 2016, another step in a coordinated effort by the party establishment to reshape the nominating process.

    Committee members overwhelmingly passed a measure that would penalize any presidential candidate who participated in a debate not sanctioned by the national party, by limiting their participation in subsequent committee-sanctioned forums.

    The move represents the party’s effort to reduce the number of debates and assert control over how they are staged.

    In making the case for adopting the new rule, party officials repeatedly criticized the moderators and format of the 2012 primary debates, appealing to the suspicions that many Republican activists have about the mainstream news media. “The liberal media doesn’t deserve to be in the driver’s seat,” said the committee’s chairman, Reince Priebus, addressing committee members here at their spring meeting.

    Such rhetoric makes taking over the debates easier to sell to the committee’s more conservative members. But what party leaders are principally concerned about is reducing the number of debates to avoid a repeat of the 2012 campaign when a series of insurgent candidates used the forums — 20 in all — to draw attention to their candidacies. Some party leaders say they believe that the number of debates pushed Mitt Romney to the right in a way that contributed to his loss to President Obama.

    Party leaders want to tighten their grip on a presidential primary season they believe has grown unruly and too long. This year, the party moved to set the nominating calendar by scheduling the first four contests — Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada — for February, allowing other states to begin voting in March and holding winner-take-all primaries starting March 15.

    Party officials are also moving to find a city that can accommodate a convention in late June, earlier than usual to give the party’s nominee a head start on raising money for the general election.

    Taken together, these procedural steps could thwart an underfunded insurgent who needs the free exposure of televised debates and would be hurt by a series of rapid-fire contests in March that could be tilted toward an establishment-backed contender.

    A few conservative stalwarts on the committee are nervous about the establishment’s consolidation of power over the primaries. “Do we want a committee of the national committee, which will surely be controlled by the national chairman, picking which candidates participate in all Republican presidential debates?” asked Morton Blackwell, a committeeman from Virginia.

    But that argument did not prevail. The move to take over the debates passed overwhelmingly, 152 to 7. Mr. Priebus and other top Republicans had considered even stiffer penalties for candidates who do not comply with the new rules, including stripping them of convention delegates.

    Whether the candidates themselves agree to participate only in committee-approved debates is an open question. Mr. Priebus quietly informed many of the potential 2016 candidates of the party’s plan to run the debates and got positive feedback, according to Republicans familiar with the conversations.

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    Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who is strongly considering a presidential run and is expected to receive Tea Party support if he does, offered careful praise for the move to limit debates. “I think maybe last time we had too many,” he said. “And so I think some of the rules changes, as long as they’re towards things that will enhance the party as a whole, are not a bad idea.”

    Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, however, who was a member of the debate team at Princeton, declined to weigh in.

    One strategist to another potential hopeful suggested the vote amounted to a power grab. “America, we hear you, so we’re putting our political party bosses in charge of debates,” Curt Anderson, an adviser to Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, said on Twitter. “If our candidates don’t obey, we will silence em!”

    The committee tried to intervene in 2012 by proposing a series of monthly forums that would have doubled as party fund-raisers. The idea fizzled in part because there was no enforcement mechanism and the candidates wanted to dictate their own debate strategy.

    Top Republicans are more optimistic now. “Because this is being done two years out, and because it has been vetted by many of the presidential candidates, the outcome is likely to be positive,” said Robert M. Duncan, a committeeman from Kentucky. “They’re likely to stick with it.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us...e.html?hp&_r=2

  • #2
    It's true the liberal media running the debates is a joke. Repubs are smart to do this if they want to try and win.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
      It's true the liberal media running the debates is a joke. Repubs are smart to do this if they want to try and win.
      The joke is the Republican primary process which requires a candidate to alienate vast swathes of the American populace to appeal to the right wingers in their own party and secure the nomination. Last cycle this left them with the impossible task of trying to distance themselves from their own comments made only months earlier.

      Note that this article/restrictions applies to primary debates not the entire debating process. Eliminate the primary and move the convention up so that you have a better chance of ensuring that people forget what the Republican candidate had to say in order to win their own parties nomination and can instead focus on convincing people that they have the majorities interests at heart.

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      • #4
        they mention the words "liberal media" and the sheep come running.How long before barry shows up in this thread?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kappys View Post
          The joke is the Republican primary process which requires a candidate to alienate vast swathes of the American populace to appeal to the right wingers in their own party and secure the nomination. Last cycle this left them with the impossible task of trying to distance themselves from their own comments made only months earlier.
          Just curious. Have you read Candidate Obama's takes on Health Care Mandates?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kappys View Post
            The joke is the Republican primary process which requires a candidate to alienate vast swathes of the American populace to appeal to the right wingers in their own party and secure the nomination. Last cycle this left them with the impossible task of trying to distance themselves from their own comments made only months earlier.

            Note that this article/restrictions applies to primary debates not the entire debating process. Eliminate the primary and move the convention up so that you have a better chance of ensuring that people forget what the Republican candidate had to say in order to win their own parties nomination and can instead focus on convincing people that they have the majorities interests at heart.
            And liberals all become centrists during the primaries then swing back to the left. No surprise that both parties play make believe.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Johnykbr View Post
              And liberals all become centrists during the primaries then swing back to the left. No surprise that both parties play make believe.
              got it backwards. dems swing from left to center

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Johnykbr View Post
                And liberals all become centrists during the primaries then swing back to the left. No surprise that both parties play make believe.
                Yes but the positions demanded by the liberal base don't alienate huge chunks of the populace. For the most part they involve ill conceived economic policies

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                • #9
                  Repubs should have all their primary debates on Fox News. The only fair news there is.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                    Repubs should have all their primary debates on Fox News. The only fair news there is.
                    Priceless!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                      Priceless!!
                      Yeah i even i spit out my beer reading that one lol.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                        Repubs should have all their primary debates on Fox News. The only fair news there is.
                        If Steve Doocey gets to pander to every major Republican candidate at the same time will his head explode?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kappys View Post
                          If Steve Doocey gets to pander to every major Republican candidate at the same time will his head explode?
                          Only if the snuke goes off.

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                          • #14
                            Awesome. This could actually be the death of the Republican Party. Further splinter the party into a "crazy wing" - where party sanctioned debates are happening on Fox News, with their cable share of +/- 3 million faithful sheeple watching in the echo chamber -

                            And a completely different slate of more moderate, centrist candidates holding debates that the rest of the country will watch.

                            With the Repubes officially splintered into two camps, not even the Dumbocrats could screw that up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BroncsRule View Post
                              Awesome. This could actually be the death of the Republican Party. Further splinter the party into a "crazy wing" - where party sanctioned debates are happening on Fox News, with their cable share of +/- 3 million faithful sheeple watching in the echo chamber -

                              And a completely different slate of more moderate, centrist candidates holding debates that the rest of the country will watch.

                              With the Repubes officially splintered into two camps, not even the Dumbocrats could screw that up.

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                              Our nation is so fixed on the foundation of two major parties that the destruction of one (either one) is nothing to be celebrated. The last time it happened, the Whigs, it was responsible for one of the primary contributions to the Civil War. What we should wish for is a splintering of both parties so that all the groups have representatives elected to eliminate the caucuses.

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