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    yeeeeehaaaww

    Peace(maker) be with you: NY church raffles AR-15, plans next giveaway tonight

    Ron Stafford had a hunch that this past Sunday's church service would be different, but he certainly didn’t think he’d take home an AR-15.

    Stafford, 42, of upstate Schenectady, N.Y., won the assault rifle during a pre-announced raffle at the March 23 service at Grace Baptist Church in Troy, where pastor John Koletas preaches that the constitutional right to bear arms shall not be abridged.

    On Monday, Stafford was on his way to pick up the gun -- valued up to $1,200 -- after a federal background check.

    "I’ll plead the Fifth on that,” Stafford joked when asked if the AR-15 was his first gun. “I’m on my way to pick it up right now, and to meet the pastor.”

    Stafford, who works in sales, said he went to the service “on a whim” and didn’t expect to be selected. Three other people were initially picked, but Stafford walked away with the gun because they had already left the service, which drew roughly 150 congregants.

    “Actually, I went on a whim; I wanted to see what this was all about,” he told FoxNews.com. “I found out about it about a month ago and I wanted to exercise my God-given right.”


    "I found out about it about a month ago and I wanted to exercise my God-given right."

    - Ron Stafford

    Koletas, who could not be reached for comment, reportedly received death threats due to the giveaway, but won’t be deterred – he’ll actually be giving away another free AR-15 during a service late Monday.

    “My peace I give unto you,” reads a flier promoting the event, quoting the Gospel of St. John. “Qualified attendees will receive a legally-modified AR-15 … All giveaways are absolutely free to enter (attendance required).”

    All winning applicants will be subject to a federal background check, must be age 18 or older and provide a valid driver’s license. The church also reserves the right to deny anyone of “questionable character,” according to the flier.

    “We have the Constitution to protect us,” Koletas told parishioners during the service, according to the Albany Times-Union. “But we have our liberty to protect ourselves.”

    Koletas declined to elaborate on details of the alleged death threats he received and indicated he had not contacted authorities.

    “I don’t need the police to protect myself,” he told the newspaper.

    A large portion of the church’s budget was used to purchase the gun and to promote the event, said Koletas, who declined to give specifics.

    Bob Gray, a retired pastor from Texas, spoke during Sunday’s service and is scheduled to appear again on Monday. Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin also attended Sunday’s event, WNYT.com reports.

    “Yes, it is unusual,” McLaughin told congregants. “Is it illegal? Absolutely not. And it’s not unethical either. And the people have every right to support the Second Amendment. I hope everybody does.”

    Gray raised some eyebrows during the service when he told the crowd — some 75 of whom registered for the drawing — that he had a concealed weapon amid the pews.

    “And listen up, reporters,” Gray said, according to the Times-Union. “It’s not registered.”

    Some churches in Kentucky have also been using guns to attract new members. Earlier this month, churches in Paducah — where three students were killed during a school shooting in 1997 — hosted “Second Amendment Celebrations.” At Lone Oak First Baptist Church, roughly 1,300 people crammed into the church hall for a steak dinner and pep talk by gun expert Chuck McAlister, who was hired by Kentucky’s Southern Baptists to grow membership. Twenty-five guns were raffled off during the dinner and winners were required to pass a background check.

    "I brought a gun with me tonight," McAlister told the group, according to NPR.org. "I know that's very controversial."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/24...eaway-tonight/

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    NRA Jesus:

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    • #3
      Better than say some government involved in selling guns to criminals that are used to kill border agents, among others. Oh, wait, that did happen, but that's right, it happened under Obama's watch and approval, so pretend it didn't happen and hope the crime goes away.

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      • #4
        Almost everyone I know at my church packs heat. It's a way of making sure you and your family will always have a way to protect yourselves.

        It is strange to auction on at a church though.

        But on Sunday at my church we said goodbye to a group of 10 people who are going to some poor area in FLA (forgot the name) to help build homes for poor people. Damn religious people always doing stupid **** for other people.

        It's better to be a liberal and just demand the govt do it.

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        • #5
          The right gives away guns. The left gives away coat hangers.

          http://freepatriot.org/2014/03/20/pr...brate-killing/

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dukes View Post
            The right gives away guns. The left gives away coat hangers.

            http://freepatriot.org/2014/03/20/pr...brate-killing/
            wow way to spin this. the coat hanger represents to what point women will go to when they don't have access to medical abortions. pathetic dukes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by barryr View Post
              Better than say some government involved in selling guns to criminals that are used to kill border agents, among others. Oh, wait, that did happen, but that's right, it happened under Obama's watch and approval, so pretend it didn't happen and hope the crime goes away.
              Actually Fast & Furious began user the Bush administration not that that really matters.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rigs11 View Post
                wow way to spin this. the coat hanger represents to what point women will go to when they don't have access to medical abortions. pathetic dukes
                Who's killed more innocent lives in America? The AR-15 or abortion?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by baja View Post
                  Actually Fast & Furious began user the Bush administration not that that really matters.
                  It doesn't matter. It's time for Obama to face up to all his mistakes and stop blaming Bush Jr.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dukes View Post
                    Who's killed more innocent lives in America? The AR-15 or abortion?
                    ahhh..changing of the goal posts. no one is auctioning abortions in churches.

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                    • #11
                      Lefties with their crazy notion women should be allowed to kill their babies. That is the most wack of all their BS ideas.

                      Let me guess science has proved to you that babies can't feel or think so abortions are ok right? Any person who supports it is supporting baby killing.

                      Be proud lefties! You are all for women killing babies. Hell there is whole industry that makes millions off it now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                        Lefties with their crazy notion women should be allowed to kill their babies. That is the most wack of all their BS ideas.

                        Let me guess science has proved to you that babies can't feel or think so abortions are ok right? Any person who supports it is supporting baby killing.

                        Be proud lefties! You are all for women killing babies. Hell there is whole industry that makes millions off it now.
                        once they're born they're on their own though right? you righties are such humanitarians

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                        • #13
                          Oh so now Republicans don't like babies lol. Just more Liberal propaganda. Just like Republicans don't love women BS.

                          One day when we are more advanced, say 100 yrs from now, society will look back on abortion and say I can't believe we did that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                            Oh so now Republicans don't like babies lol. Just more Liberal propaganda. Just like Republicans don't love women BS.

                            One day when we are more advanced, say 100 yrs from now, society will look back on abortion and say I can't believe we did that.
                            there is a reason that women, especially young women don't support the rightards. need proof? look at the last 2 presidential elections. The GOP even came out and stated that they need to 'rebrand' their image. so far they are doing a lousy job.

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                            • #15
                              For the electoral college i agree repubs have big problems. At the state level though they are dominating and will probably take the Senate.

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