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  • Basic Conservatism 101

    Interesting to read one of the founding philosophers of modern conservatism and then try and match his ideas up with the "conservative" party as it looks today in America. Of course, Kirk, before he died, tore apart the Libertarians and the Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Bush so-called neoconservatives. But I found it instructive to read this just to realize how radicalized the Right has become in America.

    http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/...ve-principles/

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    I would almost be a Libertarian if the Libertarians today followed the concept of Libitarianism.

    Stay out of a woman's bedroom and doctor's office
    Legalization of pot
    Seperation of church and state

    Those are Libertarian beliefs that none of the so called Libertarians believe in.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Guess Who View Post
      Stay out of a woman's bedroom and doctor's office
      But otherwise own her in every other facet of her life.

      True libertarians are torn, it's true. For good reason. What most of their Proggy hecklers don't understand though is that Libertarians only struggle to choose between freedom in the bedroom or freedom everywhere else.

      Freedom in the bedroom is important. But not more important than freedom everywhere else.

      As for the OP, the link was a great read. Can't argue with any of it. It's plain that the 'conservative' party fails embarrassingly to live up to its own general principles, But we already knew that.

      The sad reality is, where else are you gonna go?

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      • #4
        The worst groups to have attached themselves to conservatives are the racists, warmongers, and religious who force religion. The conservatives used to be the opposite of all that. I wish they would all go away.

        I agree.
        To be able to retain the fruits of one’s labor; to be able to see one’s work made permanent; to be able to bequeath one’s property to one’s posterity; to be able to rise from the natural condition of grinding poverty to the security of enduring accomplishment; to have something that is really one’s own—these are advantages difficult to deny. The conservative acknowledges that the possession of property fixes certain duties upon the possessor
        Today, both sides of Washington are for centralized control over the peasants. Sometimes they have good intentions and think they are better at making choices for us.
        In a genuine community, the decisions most directly affecting the lives of citizens are made locally and voluntarily. Some of these functions are carried out by local political bodies, others by private associations: so long as they are kept local, and are marked by the general agreement of those affected, they constitute healthy community. But when these functions pass by default or usurpation to centralized authority, then community is in serious danger. Whatever is beneficent and prudent in modern democracy is made possible through cooperative volition. If, then, in the name of an abstract Democracy, the functions of community are transferred to distant political direction—why, real government by the consent of the governed gives way to a standardizing process hostile to freedom and human dignity.

        For a nation is no stronger than the numerous little communities of which it is composed. A central administration, or a corps of select managers and civil servants, however well intentioned and well trained, cannot confer justice and prosperity and tranquility upon a mass of men and women deprived of their old responsibilities.
        I agree. We should be ruled by laws, not men.
        Knowing human nature for a mixture of good and evil, the conservative does not put his trust in mere benevolence. Constitutional restrictions, political checks and balances, adequate enforcement of the laws, the old intricate web of restraints upon will and appetite—these the conservative approves as instruments of freedom and order. A just government maintains a healthy tension between the claims of authority and the claims of liberty.
        The original progressives were different than today's progressives.
        Change is essential to the body social, the conservative reasons, just as it is essential to the human body. A body that has ceased to renew itself has begun to die. But if that body is to be vigorous, the change must occur in a regular manner, harmonizing with the form and nature of that body; otherwise change produces a monstrous growth, a cancer, which devours its host. The conservative takes care that nothing in a society should ever be wholly old, and that nothing should ever be wholly new. This is the means of the conservation of a nation, quite as it is the means of conservation of a living organism. Just how much change a society requires, and what sort of change, depend upon the circumstances of an age and a nation.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Guess Who View Post
          I would almost be a Libertarian if the Libertarians today followed the concept of Libitarianism.

          Stay out of a woman's bedroom and doctor's office
          Legalization of pot
          Seperation of church and state

          Those are Libertarian beliefs that none of the so called Libertarians believe in.
          There's a difference between libertarians and so called libertarians. It's just a word. We can always come up with a new label for somebody that believes in those things.

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