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  • #16
    Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
    This is funny.

    Science can't tell you within many thousands of years when dogs were domesticated. But these kids suddenly want to pretend like they can draw lines in centuries as opposed to millenia.
    Why not?? It's within their field of expertise.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
      Now what makes those two Phd's 'idiots'??
      Because they said something PB doesn't like and/or agree with. Duh!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
        This is funny.

        Science can't tell you within many thousands of years when dogs were domesticated. But these kids suddenly want to pretend like they can draw lines in centuries as opposed to millenia.
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        • #19
          I agree. The mythical nature of the bible neither proves or disproves Gods existence.

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          • #20
            Our method is science, our aim is religion.

            93/93

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            • #21
              Can you prove love exists with science? Or is that just something we believe because we can feel it?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                Can you prove love exists with science? Or is that just something we believe because we can feel it?
                A true scientist will tell you that love only exists in the chemical reactions it creates.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                  A true scientist will tell you that love only exists in the chemical reactions it creates.
                  Religion, how that makes people feel loved, probably creates those same reactions. Maybe that will help you better understand. Religion for Christians is about faith, not proof.

                  No one can prove to you there is a God, and you can't use science to make people feel he isn't real. Arguing that our culture can't make some law based on our religious beliefs is ridiculous. Lot's of the teachings are no brainers that with or without God everyone can benefit from.

                  Now should Christians be able to rule over people and force them to live by the bible? Of course not we have freedom of religion, and from religion.

                  I agree with you 100% that Sunday should be treated as any other day for legal purposes. Eventually old ways like that will be left at the curb along with many other customs we outgrow.

                  I think we are better off with relgious people making up a large portion of our society, then we would be without them.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                    Religion, how that makes people feel loved, probably creates those same reactions. Maybe that will help you better understand. Religion for Christians is about faith, not proof.
                    The community, inclusion, and other social aspects of religion are not in doubt. Nor are they somehow unique to religion.

                    No one can prove to you there is a God, and you can't use science to make people feel he isn't real.
                    Sure you can. Lots of people who are shown that the underpinnings of their beliefs are, at best, flimsy have decided God isn't real.

                    Arguing that our culture can't make some law based on our religious beliefs is ridiculous. Lot's of the teachings are no brainers that with or without God everyone can benefit from.
                    Actually, it's one of the founding principals of our society that laws cannot be made based on religious beliefs. It's right there in the Consitution. Now, that doesn't prevent overlap, but laws in this country must have a primarily secular purpose and reasoning. Take a couple commandments as an example. Big difference between trying to make a law about only worshipping Yahweh vs. making a law against killing.

                    Now should Christians be able to rule over people and force them to live by the bible? Of course not we have freedom of religion, and from religion.
                    This forced religion and/or behavior is exactly what many want, and what is opposed. Ironically, quite often by the "no big government" types.

                    I agree with you 100% that Sunday should be treated as any other day for legal purposes. Eventually old ways like that will be left at the curb along with many other customs we outgrow.
                    A yes, a classic cutlet wacky tangent.

                    I think we are better off with relgious people making up a large portion of our society, then we would be without them.
                    Why?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                      The community, inclusion, and other social aspects of religion are not in doubt. Nor are they somehow unique to religion.



                      Sure you can. Lots of people who are shown that the underpinnings of their beliefs are, at best, flimsy have decided God isn't real.



                      Actually, it's one of the founding principals of our society that laws cannot be made based on religious beliefs. It's right there in the Consitution. Now, that doesn't prevent overlap, but laws in this country must have a primarily secular purpose and reasoning. Take a couple commandments as an example. Big difference between trying to make a law about only worshipping Yahweh vs. making a law against killing.



                      This forced religion and/or behavior is exactly what many want, and what is opposed. Ironically, quite often by the "no big government" types.



                      A yes, a classic cutlet wacky tangent.



                      Why?
                      Oh, he's referring to a post I made in the poorly thought out and even more poorly executed "Being liberal is thirsty work" thread about Sunday alcohol purchases, or lack thereof.

                      The problem he is not understanding with his "oh those laws will eventually go away" stance is that he is mistakenly assuming that laws just go away on their own. The fact of the matter is that laws such as no alcohol on Sundays came about for the same reason (and are subsequently upheld to this day for the same reason) as laws that disallowed whites from marrying blacks, or criminalizing homosexual acts.

                      Those laws don't just "go away" on their own. Society doesn't just "outgrow" them. It takes bold social activism, which sometimes results in injury, often social, sometimes physical.

                      That is why, cut, the influence of religion over politics needs to be actively stamped out. You cannot just sit idly by and say, "oh it'll change eventually", or you are part of the problem. Someone in another thread stupidly brought up appeasement in Europe...THIS is the very definition of appeasement.

                      The Jesusers will not go away on their own. Their voices need to be silenced until they are able to realize that their kind cannot legislate based on mythology, no matter how adamantly they believe it.
                      Last edited by houghtam; 02-13-2014, 05:56 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                        A true scientist will tell you that love only exists in the chemical reactions it creates.
                        Lolz. A true scientist isn't going to claim hold of the depth of knowledge necessary to make such a declaration.

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                        • #27
                          Show of hands. How many kids here believe that these archaeologists literally found the actual first domesticated camels ever to live in Israel.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                            Show of hands. How many kids here believe that these archaeologists literally found the actual first domesticated camels ever to live in Israel.
                            Yes they have always been the front-runners of technology.

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                            • #29
                              I don't know one deeply religious person who will care what science has to say Fed. Maybe some people with lots of gaps in their faith will but not the true believers.

                              They don't care that it doesn't make sense all the animals fit onto one ark etc etc.

                              I never said that the love and comfort gained from religion is exclusive to it.

                              Fed talks of forced religion but seriously name one thing in this country you are forced to do because of religion? What a few places you can't buy alcohol? go to a strip club? big friggin deal.

                              Go ahead Houghtam go fight the big church so you can make sure everyone can drink on Sundays. It has to be done for the good of the country lol.

                              Poor Americans and their oppresive reilgious institutions. give me a break our country more like an orgy then a church.

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                              • #30
                                says the dude from Long Beach

                                It's just a few other places. Big friggin deal. Gimme a break.

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