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    makes me all warm and fuzzy
    Last edited by Guess Who; 01-01-2014, 03:38 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Guess Who View Post






    makes me all warm and fuzzy
    I wouldn't throw legalized marijuana at the throne of liberalism. This has been a tenant of libertarianism for a long time and it's pretty bi-partisan now.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Johnykbr View Post
      I wouldn't throw legalized marijuana at the throne of liberalism. This has been a tenant of libertarianism for a long time and it's pretty bi-partisan now.
      Libertarianism and liberalism are not exclusive. Libertarianism generally espouses fiscally conservative and socially liberal ideals. The legalization of marijuana, being more or less a social issue, is a liberal ideal that is supported by many libertarians.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by houghtam View Post
        Libertarianism and liberalism are not exclusive. Libertarianism generally espouses fiscally conservative and socially liberal ideals. The legalization of marijuana, being more or less a social issue, is a liberal ideal that is supported by many libertarians.
        They are not but my point was legalization has been a talking point for libertarians far longer than it has been for liberals and conservatives. Now both parties seem to be in favor of it because the Dems say grow it and tax it and the GOP says stop wasting money fighting it. Either way, I hope it works out well and the projected figures are returned. There are a lot of influential organizations just waiting to pounce on a single mishap.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by houghtam View Post
          Libertarianism and liberalism are not exclusive. Libertarianism generally espouses fiscally conservative and socially liberal ideals. The legalization of marijuana, being more or less a social issue, is a liberal ideal that is supported by many libertarians.
          In a sense yes- on the subject of recreatonal drug use, I would say they are very much in line. However a Libertarian would disagree that free people's have to pay excessive taxes and fees on a plant they can be grown easily with the right equipment.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by B-Large View Post
            In a sense yes- on the subject of recreatonal drug use, I would say they are very much in line. However a Libertarian would disagree that free people's have to pay excessive taxes and fees on a plant they can be grown easily with the right equipment.
            That's why I was sure to say "legalization" and not "taxation".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by B-Large View Post
              In a sense yes- on the subject of recreatonal drug use, I would say they are very much in line. However a Libertarian would disagree that free people's have to pay excessive taxes and fees on a plant they can be grown easily with the right equipment.
              Well you can grow 6 plants in your residence if you want.

              I just wish 5 or 6 states would do this at the same time. I hate being the guinea pig.

              Sometime I'll probably get a wild hair up my ass and go do it. Too tempting for me not to.

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              • #8


                I think people like this law

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                  That's why I was sure to say "legalization" and not "taxation".
                  I knew what you meant, it was a good point.

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                  • #10
                    I think people like this law, too.

                    One other thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a lot more educated and civil discourse these days. It used to be on any story or discussion like this you'd find a ton of people just making stupid pot jokes and not being serious.

                    You have to look for that anymore, or like I said, at least it seems that way. People are taking it more seriously because it's really happening. It's inevitable now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spdirty View Post
                      Well you can grow 6 plants in your residence if you want.

                      I just wish 5 or 6 states would do this at the same time. I hate being the guinea pig.

                      Sometime I'll probably get a wild hair up my ass and go do it. Too tempting for me not to.
                      It will be inetresting to see ho many people opt to grow and maintain. I assume there is a space and equipement/ nutrtional hurdles, but 6 plants will yield alot of product of done well.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                        I think people like this law, too.

                        One other thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a lot more educated and civil discourse these days. It used to be on any story or discussion like this you'd find a ton of people just making stupid pot jokes and not being serious.

                        You have to look for that anymore, or like I said, at least it seems that way. People are taking it more seriously because it's really happening. It's inevitable now.
                        The medical MJ was a good segway to mitigate the "pot jokes" you referenced. Medical ran just fine for years here and there were no mass murders, robberies, rashes of kids getting stoned at every turn... so I think the recreational step is logical and well planned.

                        Now I just hear most opponents trying to make an argument for how MJ is more dangerous that Alcohol, or that it is the gateway- if there is any Gateway, it is alcohol... or maybe that Gateway ntoion is BS, and some people just get into drugs and experiment, some don't.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by B-Large View Post
                          The medical MJ was a good segway to mitigate the "pot jokes" you referenced. Medical ran just fine for years here and there were no mass murders, robberies, rashes of kids getting stoned at every turn... so I think the recreational step is logical and well planned.

                          Now I just hear most opponents trying to make an argument for how MJ is more dangerous that Alcohol, or that it is the gateway- if there is any Gateway, it is alcohol... or maybe that Gateway ntoion is BS, and some people just get into drugs and experiment, some don't.
                          My buddy who was an accountant for one of the medical dispensaries in Northern Colorado said that robberies were pretty common actually but he had never heard of a violent one. He said most of the time the owners didn't report it because they were rarely cash rich and they didn't want negative publicity for the industry. In fact, his boss made so little money that he kept trying to encourage him to accept marijuana in payment rather than money. He told me he did calculations, not that he would act on it, that if he took the weed and sold it he would have probably made around 250k to 300k a year on the conservative side rather than the 15k he was making being legitimate.

                          But with that said, I think Youtube and social media played a huge part in destigmatizing medical marijuana. It is damn tough to still be against the stuff when you see videos of people with cancer or severe epilepsy showing signs of recovery/relief when using...

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                          • #14
                            I heard price soared to ridiculous amounts in colo though? how is that a good thing?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                              I heard price soared to ridiculous amounts in colo though? how is that a good thing?
                              Well gee, genius. I thought you were a fan of the free market? Do you even understand how it works? Once more and more places open up, guess what? Competition.

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