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  • #16
    Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
    Thought experiment... what makes lobbyists so influential?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post
      You are under a cruel illusion. Most of the so called help we give comes with strings attached. The goal being to get control over the nations -- to better loot them.

      Check out John Perkins' book...

      http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Ec...conomic+hitman

      Sebastian Mallaby, economics columnist of the Washington Post, reacted sharply to Perkins' book:[4] describing him as "a "conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong."[4] As an example, Mallaby states that Indonesia reduced its infant mortality and illiteracy rates by two-thirds after economists persuaded its leaders to borrow money in 1970.[4]

      Articles in the New York Times[1] and Boston magazine, as well as a press release issued by the United States Department of State, have referred to a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate the claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring by Chas T. Main. In addition, the State Department states that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries." The State Department release further reports that Perkins has alleged U.S. Government complicity in "the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., former Beatle John Lennon, and several unnamed U.S. senators who had died in plane crashes."[5]
      Surprised??

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
        Money's the easy answer, but it's not so simple.

        Imagine if Kate Upton rented herself out for $1,000 a round. She'd have a virtually limitless amount of business. Whether legal or not.

        Is the problem Kate Upton, or the $1,000?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
          Money's the easy answer, but it's not so simple.

          Imagine if Kate Upton rented herself out for $1,000 a round. She'd have a virtually limitless amount of business. Whether legal or not.

          Is the problem Kate Upton, or the $1,000?
          Where is the lobbyist in this silly metaphor?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
            Where is the lobbyist in this silly metaphor?
            Eliminated because him hiring Kate Upton is "illegal"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
              Surprised??
              Damnit! Already bought the book on Gaffney's recommendation. See if I can stop payment now.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                Money's the easy answer, but it's not so simple.

                Imagine if Kate Upton rented herself out for $1,000 a round. She'd have a virtually limitless amount of business. Whether legal or not.

                Is the problem Kate Upton, or the $1,000?
                Kate Upton because I can't afford $1000 and there is still a long line for me to wait in. Best off getting a couple of $200 hookers and be done that same day.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by broncocalijohn View Post
                  Kate Upton because I can't afford $1000 and there is still a long line for me to wait in. Best off getting a couple of $200 hookers and be done that same day.
                  Doesn't sound all that different than a day in Congress.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by broncocalijohn View Post
                    Damnit! Already bought the book on Gaffney's recommendation. See if I can stop payment now.
                    Mallaby, who is well qualified to critique Perkins' book, debunks some of Perkins' bull**** in his Washington Post review. A good read with......actual facts.

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022601265.html

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                      Eliminated because him hiring Kate Upton is "illegal"
                      As should politicians accepting money in return for 'favors.'

                      Lobbyists don't donate millions to campaign chests for grins, they expect and get a return on their investment.
                      Last edited by DenverBrit; 12-20-2013, 01:34 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                        As should politicians accepting money in return for 'favors.'

                        Lobbyists don't donate millions to campaign chests for grins, they expect and get a return on their investment.
                        Greasing those political skids isn't any easier to police than your average red light district.

                        And curtailing private and/or "corporate" (assembled) speech in that effort is like outlawing extramarital sex to stop Prostitutes.

                        They've been bewhoring themselves for years, so as punishment, let's make them the grand arbiters of all political speech?

                        No, the answer is to limit their power. Make them look more like Maddow than KU. Then we'll start to see some results.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                          Greasing those political skids isn't any easier to police than your average red light district.

                          And curtailing private and/or "corporate" (assembled) speech in that effort is like outlawing extramarital sex to stop Prostitutes.

                          They've been bewhoring themselves for years, so as punishment, let's make them the grand arbiters of all political speech?

                          No, the answer is to limit their power. Make them look more like Maddow than KU. Then we'll start to see some results.
                          Your question was:
                          what makes lobbyists so influential?
                          I still say it's dollars.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                            Your question was:
                            I still say it's dollars.
                            And I'd say the reason lobbyists are so influential is because our politicians are both powerful and for sale.

                            Ultimately only the people can deal with those two factors. By demanding both more restraint on government power and more virtue from its representatives.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                              Money's the easy answer, but it's not so simple.

                              Imagine if Kate Upton rented herself out for $1,000 a round. She'd have a virtually limitless amount of business. Whether legal or not.

                              Is the problem Kate Upton, or the $1,000?
                              Where do I sign?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                                Your question was:
                                I still say it's dollars.
                                Ask ambramoff.

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