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  • #31
    Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

    It depends. But the larger point is the government doesn't fund nearly as much in profitable research sectors. For all the reasons you'd expect.

    Yes, there are purely academic niches where China's made up a bunch of difference. But when it comes time to try to make a great living out of great ideas, China's one of the last places on earth you'd seek to develop them.
    Dude private sector doesn’t invest in the level basic research because it’s not profitable. That why it extremely important the government does because that is the building block for the next get discovery. Must of academic research is that research - gene therapy/quantum computing/cancer cures/etc. And China urban areas are great if you are rich or have access to something they want.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by elsid13 View Post

      Dude private sector doesn’t invest in the level basic research because it’s not profitable. That why it extremely important the government does because that is the building block for the next get discovery. Must of academic research is that research - gene therapy/quantum computing/cancer cures/etc. And China urban areas are great if you are rich or have access to something they want.
      China's great to you until you're of no more use to them. As for the great government funding scare... mostly Bernie Bro boogeymanning. The actual 'decline' is relative due to an increase in private sector research funding.

      https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...falls-below-50

      The federal share, which topped 70% throughout the 1960s and ’70s, stood at 61% as recently as 2004 before falling below 50% in 2013.

      The sharp drop in recent years is the result of two contrasting trends—a flattening of federal spending on basic research over the past decade and a significant rise in corporate funding of fundamental science since 2012. The first is a familiar story to most academic scientists, who face stiffening competition for federal grants.

      But the second trend will probably surprise them. It certainly flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which paints U.S. companies as so focused on short-term profits that they have all but abandoned the pursuit of fundamental knowledge, an endeavor that may take decades to pay off.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

        China's great to you until you're of no more use to them.
        The same can be said re: private investment in scientific research.

        The profit motive is the only motive.

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        • #34
          The imagery in the OP alone, along with the title, expose it as a political hit piece and bigoted rant.

          The day liberals stop denying that IQ gaps exist between human population groups is the same day they have a moral position to accuse others of science denial. Until then, it's just politicking.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by nyuKKK
            The imagery in the OP alone, along with the title, expose it as a political hit piece and bigoted rant.

            The day liberals stop denying that IQ gaps exist between human population groups is the same day they have a moral position to accuse others of science denial. Until then, it's just politicking.
            Any presentation of inconvenient facts is, by definition, a "political hit piece" in your muddled thinking.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
              Here's the question: If our fundamental concept of human progress (capital growth) leads to the destruction of the environment we depend upon for our existence, should we change our fundamental concept of human progress?
              Funny considering the USSR left behind a mountain of pollution. Perhaps it's time you stop spouting Marxian mythology and pretending that all evils in life come from the capitalist piggies?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post

                Any presentation of inconvenient facts is, by definition, a "political hit piece" in your muddled thinking.
                It's not a fact as I just illustrated. Since you're one of the bangwagoneers that become hostile when IQ studies are mentioned, you likewise are one that has no moral high road here regardless of how much you wish to present yourself as otherwise. You're sitting atop a house of cards, but I guess that's better than nothing, right?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by nyuKKK

                  It's not a fact as I just illustrated.
                  L0L.

                  You didn't "illustrate" anything.

                  You simply screeched "political hit piece!" and pretended you refuted something.

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                  • #39
                    Well, I think it's all that math.......

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