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    Once upon a time, America was THE smartest nation on the planet. We were the most advanced. We invented almost EVERYTHING and the stuff we didn’t invent ourselves, we improved on. We were at the cutting edge of science. Or, as Michael “I look like a Muppet” Steele might say, beyond cutting-edge! We invented the internet (and if you still think Al Gore claimed he did, you’re a chump and I have a bridge to sell you). We put a man on the moon to play freaking golf. GOLF! How awesome were we?!

    Now? We’re that cranky old man down the street who can never remember your name even though you’ve mowed his lawn for five years. We still use a rotary phone and drive a Model T compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

    You think we’re still the smartest people on the planet?

    We don’t even have the potential to be the smartest anymore.

    We have literally lobotomized ourselves.

    And to what do we owe this gift of dumb? Right Wing fundamentalism, both religious and political. No one has taken this quote from Benjamin Franklin as seriously as the powers that be in the conservative movement:

    “A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”

    They’ve taken it seriously all right; as a serious threat to their agenda. A well informed populace is hard to lie to. A well informed population is hard to manipulate with propaganda. A well informed population is hard to convince that economic suicide is a viable platform.

    The Right has spent decades slowly eroding the foundations of intellectual America. Where once teachers were respected and scientists idolized, now they are pariahs. Teachers’ Unions are the cause of our failing schools! Educated people are elitists! Intellectuals are Socialists! Scientists are all lying to you about the environment! Except for this small handful of scientists and intellectuals that inexplicably agree with everything we paid them to say, you can trust them.

    The first test of real science versus conservative science was cigarettes. Big Tobacco spent billions to confuse the issue and convince people that cigarettes were safe. It didn’t matter that every properly run study found exactly the same thing: cigarettes are physically addictive and cause cancer (in addition to a host of other ill side effects). Big Tobacco found a willing ally in conservative politicians (shocking, I know); Congressmen who stood in front of cameras and told the country that the damning science was “junk science” and the attacks on Big Tobacco were politically motivated. I would say they lied but I honestly believe they didn’t know the truth and, much more importantly, didn’t WANT to know. Big business had come for help fighting regulation and that’s all they needed to know. That, and how much in donations they could expect for their re-election fund.

    And it worked. For decades. Even as the public’s awareness that smoking seemed to be killing their loved ones grew, Congress, carrying water for Big Tobacco, did nothing. Finally, enough incontrovertible evidence surfaced, much of it “borrowed” from Big Tobacco itself, that cigarettes were finally seen for what they really are: a product that will, in all probability, kill you. A dangerous product intentionally pushed onto an unsuspecting public by uncaring corporations. This should have forever put to rest any question as to whether Big Business (and by default their champions, professional conservatives) has the public’s welfare in mind at all. (ou :sı ɹǝʍsuɐ ǝɥʇ)

    But it didn’t.

    In the same vein, environmentalists have been shrieking for years that pollution is damaging the planet. They were labeled “tree hugging hippies”. There have been warnings for decades about overfishing: “Alarmists.” Disastrous climate change: “Al Gore, the serial exaggerator.” That the Ozone layer was eroding. OK, that one had real graphic pictures and was impossible to argue against without looking like an imbecile so they took unusually substantial steps. But the list goes on forever. All opposed by conservatives claiming “junk science”. And what did it get us?

    Acid rain, dangerously depleted fish stock, melting ice caps and rising sea levels and a giant hole in the Ozone layer that will take centuries to reseal. “Junk science” indeed.

    How does religion fit into this scam? Easily. Fundamentalism works best when no one questions the authority and authenticity of scripture. “You will obey MY interpretation of God’s word or else!” Science, by its very nature, questions and is, therefore, the enemy.



    Mind you, we’re not discussing Ultimate Truth here. We’re talking about the observable workings of the universe and the history of the Earth. Fundamentalism insists that the Earth is only 6000 years old, Noah’s Flood was a historical event and evolution is a liberal lie.

    When presented with the choice of believing utter nonsense and being forced to question the very underpinnings of their faith, all too many reject the real and embrace the fantasy. Fundamentalist leaders count on this. Once you can convince someone of your absolute infallibility, you can tell them to do anything, believe anything and they will because any other course would shred the very fabric of their life.

    Many (most) worshippers reject this fallacy and set religion apart from science. The Fat Smug Bastard is one of them and while our conversations about whether or not God exists can be, at times, viciously energetic, we both agree that science is the final authority on pretty much all matters not having to do with the spiritual.

    Even the Vatican, a long time proponent of “Shut the hell up, the Earth is the center of the universe!” looks at the United States and wonders how we became so stupid. How embarrassing is THAT?

    Right Wing politics and Fundamentalist religion made a devil’s bargain a long time ago. They would both work to undermine science, thereby rendering the population ever so more open to manipulation and control. This paves the way for unregulated industry (read as: unlimited profit) and for the mixing of temporal power with spiritual (read as: theocracy). Economic conservatism and social conservatism. The two banes of modern America’s existence.

    This is great news for the rest of world. As we become dumber and dumber and more technologically unsophisticated, we are unintentionally seceding the role of world leader to whoever can claim it first. Someone else will make it to Mars first. Someone else will invent the new, virus free, internet. Someone else will create the first quantum computer. Someone else will perfect nanotechnology. We’ll just be their customers. We’ll have terrible credit and won’t understand the instruction manual.



    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/09...0HhOzethvY5XrQ



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    I don't hate science. I hate the leftist scam that they try to pull using "science." How does science fit into the leftist scam? Easily. Leftism works best when no one questions the authority and authenticity of science. “You will obey MY interpretation of science or else!”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Taco John View Post
      I don't hate science. I hate the leftist scam that they try to pull using "science." How does science fit into the leftist scam? Easily. Leftism works best when no one questions the authority and authenticity of science. “You will obey MY interpretation of science or else!”
      Thanks for providing a demonstration to prove the author’s point.

      FYI, science, by definition, requires rigorous questioning re: the “authenticity” of its observations and experimental results.

      That’s why claims like “global warming is just a Chinese hoax” don’t satisfy the requirements.

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      • #4
        It’s easier to stick your head in the sand and pretend we’re still number one at everything... when we’re clearly not in most important categories anymore... American Republicanism is branded by a complete abscence of intellectually curiosity and deeply malignant form of “i got mine, **** you” mindset... listen to their awful ideological sources like Limbaugh and Fox News... it’s shamefully apparent

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            The Texas State Board of Education ability to introduce religious information in place/beside hard science in primary and secondary text books has been one of under reported stories in the last 60 years.

            https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...xtbooks-on-us/

            https://www.dallasnews.com/news/educ...ry-curriculum/

            https://www.statesman.com/NEWS/20170...nges-evolution

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Taco John View Post
              I don't hate science. I hate the leftist scam that they try to pull using "science." How does science fit into the leftist scam? Easily. Leftism works best when no one questions the authority and authenticity of science. “You will obey MY interpretation of science or else!”
              You obviously have no idea what science even is. The foundation of science is a constant stream of questions regarding its findings. Questions are what drive science forward.

              You have obviously confused science with political and religious fundamentalism (and other forms of cultish behavior) where no questions are allowed, ever.

              As far as the whole "leftism" thing goes, just another boogeyman. You guys need so many boogeymen to keep going. Why is that?

              As far that goes, a generally true statement is that the left supports science and the right is opposed to it.
              Last edited by Rohirrim; 02-15-2020, 11:20 AM.

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              • #8
                Both the California and Texas 11th-grade textbooks from Pearson state, “The main argument against environmental legislation is that it hurts the economy and the nation’s industries.”

                The Texas edition goes further to highlight criticism of federal efforts to subsidize the green energy industry: “Republicans accuse the government of wasting taxpayers’ money, for example by supporting the failed solar manufacturer Solyndra.” The Solyndra controversy was a fixation for conservatives in 2011, when the company went bankrupt after accepting half a billion dollars in federally guaranteed loans.

                The Texas book also states that American action on global warming may not make a difference if China, India, Russia and Brazil do not also act.

                The California edition does not mention Solyndra or the other nations. However, it does include a section on the threat to American states and cities from rising sea levels, noting that the impact on tourism in Florida could hurt that state’s economy, and that transportation networks and buildings could be threatened.

                https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...textbooks.html

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                  • #10
                    Here's the question: If our fundamental concept of human progress (capital growth) leads to the destruction of the environment we depend upon for our existence, should we change our fundamental concept of human progress?

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                    • #11
                      BTW, there are zero, none, nada conservatives in the Trump party. Not a one.

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                      • #12
                        I am going to a little Chinese cafe tonight and have a plate of Shrimp in Lobster sauce, some Rangoons, and I think a pot of tea, Wife prefers Sweet and Sour Chicken. Comes with cup of Won Ton soup and fried rice. I do not think the virus will come up in the conversation.

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                        • #13
                          We started out at #1 and even improved on those numbers. It’s just that the rest of the world caught up at a faster pace. All of this despite the creation of the Department of Education in 1979.

                          We still have the best higher education system.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arkie View Post
                            We started out at #1 and even improved on those numbers. It’s just that the rest of the world caught up at a faster pace. All of this despite the creation of the Department of Education in 1979.

                            We still have the best higher education system.
                            That assertion could be debatable. Wait til the OA and his buttlickers get done with them.

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                            • #15
                              the party of countless genders talking about science.

                              ill take irony for 500 alex.


                              Denver Post Columnist Says He Was Fired For Saying There Are Only Two Sexes

                              https://www.dailywire.com/news/denve...only-two-sexes

                              Democrats don’t want transparency in hospital billing and they certainly don’t want education transparency when it comes to their mandate to convince your kid that there are more than two sexes, even if it’s against your wishes.

                              Among the most controversial laws that passed last year was the comprehensive human sexuality education mandate which ripped local control away from your neighborhood school board. Now if your school district wants to teach even basic sex ed, the teacher must also teach the “health needs” of LGBT individuals.

                              And in the anti-free-speech style that the left now embraces, the new law bans discussions that “employ gender stereotypes,” or any language the state’s new oversight board of LGBT activists consider “stigmatizing.” In case you hadn’t noticed, just about everything is stigmatizing to the easily triggered, perpetually offended.

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