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    ‘You’re a bunch of dopes and babies’: Inside Trump’s stunning tirade against generals

    “I want to win,” he said. “We don’t win any wars anymore . . . We spend $7 trillion, everybody else got the oil and we’re not winning anymore.”

    Trump by now was in one of his rages. He was so angry that he wasn’t taking many breaths. All morning, he had been coarse and cavalier, but the next several things he bellowed went beyond that description. They stunned nearly everyone in the room, and some vowed that they would never repeat them. Indeed, they have not been reported until now.

    “I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” Trump told the assembled brass.

    Addressing the room, the commander in chief barked, “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”

  • #2
    After that meeting Tillerson called Trump a ****ing moron. Feels like Tillerson and Bannon were the sources

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    • #3
      "... and the red hats took one look at the article, dismissed it as 'fake news', and stuck their heads back into the sand."

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      • #4
        “I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” Trump told the assembled brass.

        Addressing the room, the commander in chief barked, “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”

        For a president known for verbiage he euphemistically called “locker room talk,” this was the gravest insult he could have delivered to these people, in this sacred space. The flag officers in the room were shocked. Some staff began looking down at their papers, rearranging folders, almost wishing themselves out of the room. A few considered walking out. They tried not to reveal their revulsion on their faces, but questions raced through their minds. “How does the commander in chief say that?” one thought. “What would our worst adversaries think if they knew he said this?”

        This was a president who had been labeled a “draft dodger” for avoiding service in the Vietnam War under questionable circumstances. Trump was a young man born of privilege and in seemingly perfect health: six feet two inches with a muscular build and a flawless medical record. He played several sports, including football. Then, in 1968 at age 22, he obtained a diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels that exempted him from military service just as the United States was drafting men his age to fulfill massive troop deployments to Vietnam.

        Tillerson in particular was stunned by Trump’s diatribe and began visibly seething. For too many minutes, others in the room noticed, he had been staring straight, dumbfounded, at Mattis, who was speechless, his head bowed down toward the table. Tillerson thought to himself, “Gosh darn it, Jim, say something. Why aren’t you saying something?”

        But, as he would later tell close aides, Tillerson realized in that moment that Mattis was genetically a Marine, unable to talk back to his commander in chief, no matter what nonsense came out of his mouth.

        The more perplexing silence was from Pence, a leader who should have been able to stand up to Trump. Instead, one attendee thought, “He’s sitting there frozen like a statue. Why doesn’t he stop the president?” Another recalled the vice president was “a wax museum guy.” From the start of the meeting, Pence looked as if he wanted to escape and put an end to the president’s torrent. Surely, he disagreed with Trump’s characterization of military leaders as “dopes and babies,” considering his son, Michael, was a Marine first lieutenant then training for his naval aviator wings. But some surmised Pence feared getting crosswise with Trump. “A total deer in the headlights,” recalled a third attendee.

        Others at the table noticed Trump’s stream of venom had taken an emotional toll. So many people in that room had gone to war and risked their lives for their country, and now they were being dressed down by a president who had not. They felt sick to their stomachs. Tillerson told others he thought he saw a woman in the room silently crying. He was furious and decided he couldn’t stand it another minute. His voice broke into Trump’s tirade, this one about trying to make money off U.S. troops.

        “No, that’s just wrong,” the secretary of state said. “Mr. President, you’re totally wrong. None of that is true.”

        Tillerson’s father and uncle had both been combat veterans, and he was deeply proud of their service.

        “The men and women who put on a uniform don’t do it to become soldiers of fortune,” Tillerson said. “That’s not why they put on a uniform and go out and die . . . They do it to protect our freedom.”

        There was silence in the Tank. Several military officers in the room were grateful to the secretary of state for defending them when no one else would. The meeting soon ended and Trump walked out, saying goodbye to a group of servicemen lining the corridor as he made his way to his motorcade waiting outside. Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn were deflated. Standing in the hall with a small cluster of people he trusted, Tillerson finally let down his guard.

        “He’s a f---ing moron,” the secretary of state said of the president.


        And that is the truth that every American needs to understand about the current waste of space occupying the WH.

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        • #5
          “All these countries need to start paying us for the troops we are sending to their countries. We need to be making a profit,” Trump said. “We could turn a profit on this.”

          You've got to be kidding me...

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          • #6
            Every story for every book and report paint the same picture over and over again.

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            • #7
              The cultists and the apologists (TJ, Beav, etc.) don't care.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by W*GS View Post
                The cultists and the apologists (TJ, Beav, etc.) don't care.

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                • #9
                  But don't get me wrong. I do like reading you guys hyperventilating about this sort of thing.

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                  • #10
                    "CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT AN ANONYMOUS SOURCE SAID THAT TRUMP SAID ABOUT ___________________!"

                    I have to admit, I find it all very amusing.

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                    • #11
                      Bannonite scorched-earthers are thrilled with mindless destruction for destruction's sake.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by W*GS View Post
                        Bannonite scorched-earthers are thrilled with mindless destruction for destruction's sake.
                        That's their prerogative, I suppose. But they should aim higher: mindful destruction with a purpose.

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                        • #13
                          What do you expect the US and the world to look like after what you would consider a successful trump administration?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Taco John View Post

                            That's their prerogative, I suppose. But they should aim higher: mindful destruction with a purpose.
                            Yeah, yeah, ending human trafficking. We know.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Taco John View Post
                              I have to admit, I find it all very amusing.
                              What's even more amusing is you doubting these stories. Particularly when you stop and consider what has come to pass with guys like Tillerson and Mattis.

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