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  • #76
    You’d think the guy that wrote the art of the deal with Trump would also be singing the praises of the stable 4D chess master genius.

    But he isn’t.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Taco John View Post

      Not really. Only when we recognize that we're in war for the existence of liberty itself. Then it's gloves off.
      Before the people at your link try selling their essays, they should learn the English language. Bad word mill stuff.

      At the end of socialism is authoritarianism. Okay. At the end of libertarianism is serfdom. Extremes are the enemy. Even liberty, at its extreme, becomes license. Even the best government is a necessary evil (as the old saying goes). Government controlled by vulture capitalism is no benefit at all (except to the 1% who own it) as we see in our own times. The founders knew that, which is why they tried to create a government that separated the powers and could (hopefully) self-regulate itself away from extremes. They didn't fail because their ideas were bad. They failed because they underestimated the greed and avariciousness of their countrymen. Along come people like Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell who simply ignore the rule book in an effort to advance their own interests, or the interests of their party, over those of the rest of society. For example, why write in an emoluments clause if some president can just come along and completely blow it off (and without repercussions because his party cares more about itself than the Constitution)?

      Then, along comes K Street which believes that the only reason for life is to make a profit, and they don't care who is in the WH as long as they share that fundamental belief (Goldman Sachs, Chase, Citibank have had a plush chair in the corner of the Oval Office for decades, regardless of the current occupant). Hell, we see it in our climate change battles. There are those who pursue the chimera of "growth" over the well being of life on the planet which sustains even them. For profit, they would gleefully saw off the branch upon which they sit. Madness is afoot in our times. We seem to be a society that has allowed itself to morph into a celebration of selfishness, greed and apathy and Donald Trump personifies these times. Anything that doesn't serve his selfishness is a "hoax." A "fake." Take a selfie of that!

      Like TR wrote over a hundred years ago:
      At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of freemen to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth.

      This goes all the way back to Plato and Socrates sitting around discussing how to come up with a philosopher king, or even Krishna and Arjuna discussing "What is right action?" The question is not to purify your ideology for your own interests, it's what is best for my country? What is best for the world? Why? Because that's where your children and grandchildren will grow up.

      What is more important, human welfare or property rights? Liberty at the expense of equality of opportunity? Profit at the expense of life? Or as Mr. Spock said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one?" Extreme individualism is just as dangerous as communism. It's just at the opposite end of the same scale. Both lead to chaos.

      Anyway, the argument is moot. Why? Because our current system is eroding away the middle class, and as any historian can tell you, no country lasts for long without that. Neither will we.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Taco John View Post
        The thing is, for me, the ends justify the means. Trump is trying to expose the whole corrupt system. So yes, he first uses what the system built (which, we the people allowed) against itself. That's the whole plan: to get people worked up about "abuse of power" that they were previously OK with, and THEN correct it. Some of the corrections will come in time.
        "The ends justify the means".

        That's moral relativism at its finest.

        Cut to the chase, TJ.

        When your trump-messiah is done, what will the US and world be like?

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        • #79
          Not to mention, we currently are dominated by a minority government. Trump lost by 3 million votes. Mitch rules a "majority" in the Senate that represents 15 million fewer people than the "minority" party. And that minority put two people on the SCOTUS and will decide on the impeachment of an undemocratically elected president. Talk about a ****ed up system.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post

            Before the people at your link try selling their essays, they should learn the English language. Bad word mill stuff.

            At the end of socialism is authoritarianism. Okay. At the end of libertarianism is serfdom. Extremes are the enemy. Even liberty, at its extreme, becomes license. Even the best government is a necessary evil (as the old saying goes). Government controlled by vulture capitalism is no benefit at all (except to the 1% who own it) as we see in our own times. The founders knew that, which is why they tried to create a government that separated the powers and could (hopefully) self-regulate itself away from extremes. They didn't fail because their ideas were bad. They failed because they underestimated the greed and avariciousness of their countrymen. Along come people like Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell who simply ignore the rule book in an effort to advance their own interests, or the interests of their party, over those of the rest of society. For example, why write in an emoluments clause if some president can just come along and completely blow it off (and without repercussions because his party cares more about itself than the Constitution)?

            Then, along comes K Street which believes that the only reason for life is to make a profit, and they don't care who is in the WH as long as they share that fundamental belief (Goldman Sachs, Chase, Citibank have had a plush chair in the corner of the Oval Office for decades, regardless of the current occupant). Hell, we see it in our climate change battles. There are those who pursue the chimera of "growth" over the well being of life on the planet which sustains even them. For profit, they would gleefully saw off the branch upon which they sit. Madness is afoot in our times. We seem to be a society that has allowed itself to morph into a celebration of selfishness, greed and apathy and Donald Trump personifies these times. Anything that doesn't serve his selfishness is a "hoax." A "fake." Take a selfie of that!

            Like TR wrote over a hundred years ago:
            At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of freemen to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth.

            This goes all the way back to Plato and Socrates sitting around discussing how to come up with a philosopher king, or even Krishna and Arjuna discussing "What is right action?" The question is not to purify your ideology for your own interests, it's what is best for my country? What is best for the world? Why? Because that's where your children and grandchildren will grow up.

            What is more important, human welfare or property rights? Liberty at the expense of equality of opportunity? Profit at the expense of life? Or as Mr. Spock said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one?" Extreme individualism is just as dangerous as communism. It's just at the opposite end of the same scale. Both lead to chaos.

            Anyway, the argument is moot. Why? Because our current system is eroding away the middle class, and as any historian can tell you, no country lasts for long without that. Neither will we.
            Would rep if I could!

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            • #81
              Reason #52 that Trump whacked Suleimani: He was talking **** about America!

              “How much of this **** do we have to listen to?” Trump asked his audience of well-heeled contributors Friday night at Mar-a-Lago, his resort in Palm Beach, Florida, according to audio recordings of his comments obtained by CNN and The Washington Post.

              “He was saying bad things about our country, like ‘we’re going to attack, we’re going to kill your people,’” Trump said, according to the Post.

              The president didn’t mention any “imminent attack” planned by the military commander.

              Trump had previously justified the assassination by saying that Soleimani was “probably” planning to attack four American embassies. But Defense Secretary Mark Esper said in an interview earlier this month that he “didn’t see” any specific evidence of that — though he supported the hit. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that officials believed Soleimani was planning “imminent attacks” but added, “We don’t know when, we don’t know where.”

              At the Friday night gathering, which was attended by some 100 donors expected to raise $10 million for Trump’s reelection campaign and the Republican Party, the president said Soleimani had to be killed because he was a “noted terrorist” who was “down on our list.”

              He also called Soleimani the “father of the road side bomb” who was responsible for “every young, beautiful man or woman who see walking around with no legs, no arms.”

              Trump also described a military officer’s narration of the attack to him.

              “‘They’re in the car, they’re in an armored vehicle,’” Trump said, supposedly quoting the officer. “‘Sir, they have approximately one minute to live, sir ... 30 seconds ... 10, nine, eight ...’ Then, all of a sudden, boom! ‘They’re gone, sir.’ I said, ‘Where is this guy?’ [laughter] That was the last I heard from him.”

              Trump boasted that the hit “shook up the world. “He was supposed to be invincible,” he added, referring to Soleimani.

              Trump also repeated his claim that ISIS leader Abu Bakr-Baghdadi died “screaming” after an American raid on this compound — a version no one else seems able to confirm. “He was screaming, going crazy,” the president said.

              Since the Soleimani hit, the Trump administration has been criticized for a lack of transparency and for failing to provide adequate substantiation of Trump’s claim that Soleimani posed an imminent threat.

              Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) called a briefing given to lawmakers and the exhortation not to challenge the assassination “insulting and demeaning.”

              In other comments to donors, Trump bragged about boosting the defense budget by $2.5 trillion (even though the Pentagon budget is a fraction of that, at $738 billion).

              He asked “who the hell cares” about the growing deficit, adding, “We’ll have a country.” (The deficit was nearly $1 trillion in 2019, even though Trump promised during his campaign to eliminate the national debt.)

              He also mocked environmental concerns over his border wall, and singled out worries about disrupting turtle and rattlesnake nesting sites.

              “As many as we kill, they’ll be here long after us,” he said, according to the Post. “The rattlesnake, you can kill every son-of-a-bitchin’ rattlesnake.”


              https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donal...b673621f771b0c

              Ladies and Gentlemen! The President of the United States! (cue music)

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              • #82
                So what?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Taco John View Post
                  So what?
                  You're kind of the "perfect" Trumpian, aren't you? Congrats!

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                  • #84
                    For example: Why doesn't Trump even care about climate change? Like he said, "I won't be around." There ya have it; An impeccable argument.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
                      For example: Why doesn't Trump even care about climate change? Like he said, "I won't be around." There ya have it; An impeccable argument.
                      That's very simple. It's because it's a hoax. It has nothing to do with not being around. It has everything to do with snake oil salesman trying to line their pockets and gain global power using fear tactics. Just look at Greta. Here is this fictional character who's father runs her social media. Who is paying for her to fly around the world and whine about her dreams being stolen? And then to win the Time person of the year? You guys buy this fiction? You tell me that I'm bad for saying the end justifies the means while jumping on board with both feet as these lies are perpetrated on us so that we can send our tax dollars global governing bodies who will give us more of the same fear and shame porn so that they can maximize their earnings. You guys haven't even proposed a real solution. You're just desperate to see us give our tax dollars away.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Taco John View Post
                        ...snake oil salesman trying to line their pockets...
                        Lol. And the best part is, poor TJ probably doesn't even see it!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Taco John View Post

                          That's very simple. It's because it's a hoax.
                          You're full of ****.

                          Fork you, TJ.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by W*GS View Post

                            You're full of ****.

                            Fork you, TJ.
                            The good news is, it doesn't matter which of us is right or wrong. There's literally nothing the US could do that it already isn't doing to solve the "problem" of carbon. Surely we can both agree that the US is not the "problem" here.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Taco John View Post

                              The good news is, it doesn't matter which of us is right or wrong. There's literally nothing the US could do that it already isn't doing to solve the "problem" of carbon. Surely we can both agree that the US is not the "problem" here.
                              AGW is no hoax. I am right, you are wrong.

                              And AGW is a global problem. And a very real one.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
                                Not to mention, we currently are dominated by a minority government. Trump lost by 3 million votes. Mitch rules a "majority" in the Senate that represents 15 million fewer people than the "minority" party. And that minority put two people on the SCOTUS and will decide on the impeachment of an undemocratically elected president. Talk about a ****ed up system.
                                Thank god for the EC.

                                Abandonment of rationality: when, as Tocqueville remembered, a decision "which bases its claim to rule upon numbers, not upon rightness or excellence".[3] The use of public consultation, technical consulting bodies, and other similar mechanisms help to improve rationality of decisions before voting on them. Judicial review (e.g. declaration of nullity of the decision) is the typical way after the vote.
                                Couldnt imagine what the totalitarian leftists would do with this country without it.

                                They might start trying to start quoting Socrates, even thou he was put to death by tyranny of the majority.

                                Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
                                This goes all the way back to Plato and Socrates sitting around discussing how to come up with a philosopher king, or even Krishna and Arjuna discussing "What is right action?"

                                oh wait.
                                Last edited by ShaneFalco; 01-19-2020, 07:38 PM.

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