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  • #61
    Has anybody noticed not a single Republican has mentioned 1 thing about Trump not going through congress for approval on such a hit? Didn't think so, they have no answer, except for they'd take a dump on the constitution and use it to wipe their ass if they were out of TP.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ZONA View Post
      Has anybody noticed not a single Republican has mentioned 1 thing about Trump not going through congress for approval on such a hit? Didn't think so, they have no answer, except for they'd take a dump on the constitution and use it to wipe their ass if they were out of TP.
      The strict constitutionalists of the Republican Party have evaporated. They'll reappear when a Democrat is president. Same as the deficit hawks.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post

        That was my point. Even neocons are putting aside their own ideological stance to oppose Trump. Even they know what the biggest danger to the country is right now.
        This makes no sense to me. Trump is destroying Neocons. Of course they are opposing Trump. He has not only driven them out of the Republican party and into the Democrat party, but he's destroying the world paradigm that they've been driving for. Neocons want boots on the ground and to reshape the region with others oriented around the Neocon Thinktank world view. Trump is destroying that dream.

        You're aligning yourself with the monsters of our age to oppose the guy who is making them bleed. That should tell you something about the side of history you're on.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ZONA View Post
          Has anybody noticed not a single Republican has mentioned 1 thing about Trump not going through congress for approval on such a hit? Didn't think so, they have no answer, except for they'd take a dump on the constitution and use it to wipe their ass if they were out of TP.

          That's not true. I've addressed this before. I agree with the Obama Administration on the constitutionality of the hit.



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          • #65
            Originally posted by Taco John View Post


            That's not true. I've addressed this before. I agree with the Obama Administration on the constitutionality of the hit.


            Then show the proof the so called attack was imminent. They can't. They can't even get their stories correct, and they can't even stick to the same story. Something really stinks about it and the fact is Taco, you don't really care. Just like you conveniently dismissed Trump never showing his tax returns even though he said he would, because every modern candidate has done so. You conveniently dismiss Trump has cost the tax payers more money than any previous POTUS. You conveniently dismiss Trump violating the emoluments. You conveniently dismiss Trump keeping every witness he can from testifying in impeachment process or producing documents. You conveniently dismiss that he said Mexico would pay for the wall. You conveniently dismiss that he stole congressional funds allocated to the DOD (by congress) to build part of his wall. You conveniently dismiss his guilty charges of charity fraud. You conveniently dismiss all the lies, all of the immature behavior, trying to use the office for personal gain for himself and his family. You conveniently dismiss that he never did put his business into a trust, something every POTUS has done before. You conveniently dismiss Trump altering a weather forecast, believe it or not, that's a felony. You conveniently dismiss Trump used campaign finances to have Cohen pay off porn stars. You conveniently dismiss 3 months into his presidency, Trump signed a letter of intent to build Trump Towers in Moscow. You conveniently dismiss how he traffics public and foreign officials to stay at his properties. You conveniently dismiss he's admitted to assaulting women because 'they let you do it". You conveniently dismiss housing discrimination. You conveniently dismiss bankruptcy fraud. You conveniently dismiss that he's admitted to tax evasion. You conveniently dismiss he's a draft dodger. Should I continue? Or do you think that's enough? That's some gem you help get elected there Taco, good work.

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            • #66
              Taco is like sleeping tiger the end justifies the means, only outcomes matter.

              Taco also never addressed how his stance on trafficking and putting children separated from their parents in detention centers somehow is ok. This compartmentalization and outcome only focus is what allows them to mostly avoid cognitive dissonance.

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              • #67
                Whoah, whoah, whoah... What do you mean I "conveniently" dismiss Trump never showing his tax return? I dismiss ANYONE ever showing their tax returns. I've never looked at anybody else's tax return in my life, and to be clear, I believe that they are wholly unconstitutional and illegal. I don't care whose tax returns are shown. I don't pay any attention to them because I find them to be documents that prove we are slaves to a system, not sovereign humans.

                Regarding Trump keeping witnesses from testifying, that's executive privilege. Every president uses executive privilege. I have no problem with that. If Democrats wanted to challenge this privilege, they would take it to court. Instead they want to take it to the court of public opinion and try to shame Trump into releasing documents that Democrats want. This is politics, and they're playing it poorly. When they press Trump to release documents, Pelosi is counting on people like me turning on Trump to put political pressure on Trump to play along with this farce. What a stupid political calculation.

                I could go point by point on your little tantrum. It's all just you making fundamental misjudgments about reality.

                Yes, Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall - through reimursements, or through trade. I have no problem with Trump using DOD funds for defense, including border defense. I don't concern myself with Trump settling his charity case any more than you concern yourself with Clinton Foundation settlements - I mean, have you even dug into the Clinton Foundation and what they did to Haiti? Of course not, what am I even talking about. You don't really care about this stuff, you're hung up on a personality.

                You pretend to care about stuff you never cared about before Trump got into office. You can point all the fingers you want at me - I don't care. But whatever you do, don't look in a mirror. People like you are the reason I felt like there was no choice but to vote for Trump.

                You don't see the plan, because you don't self evaluate. But let me tell you: THAT'S the plan. Trump wants you to hate him like this, because at some point in time he's going to drop the dime on the whole system and FORCE people like you to consider what you've been supporting.

                So point fingers at me. As many as you can. The time will come when you have no choice but to look in the mirror, because there will be no other choice.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ghwk View Post
                  Taco is like sleeping tiger the end justifies the means, only outcomes matter.
                  This is correct. This is where we are. I didn't go from Never Trump to a Trump supporter because of his soaring rhetoric. No. I got here because I recognized that Trump speaks in code and was throwing around dog whistles to people who were awake to the human trafficking problem on this globe. I don't expect people who aren't actually awake to this issue to understand this. They don't cover it on MSNBC.

                  Taco also never addressed how his stance on trafficking and putting children separated from their parents in detention centers somehow is ok. This compartmentalization and outcome only focus is what allows them to mostly avoid cognitive dissonance.
                  For one, there is a lot of human trafficking that happens through our border. I have no problem with a separation policy that protects even one child. That's first. Second, as I've said before, one of Trump's strategies is to amplify the policies of previous administrations that people like you found acceptable in the past.




                  Trump ended this policy after amplifying its existence. Have you given him credit for ending the policy? Of course not. You've used every opportunity you could to bring it up, even though the policy ended in 2017. You, of course, never once brought it up when Obama was using it.

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                  • #69
                    I only brought it up when you said it was a major issue you hypocritical dirt bag. Your arguement can’t even stay on point relative to what I’ve written.

                    You saying why should you care if I didn’t under Obama. Flaming ****ing cop out. It’s an issue to you or it isn’t, it’s not a matter of convenience.

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                    • #70
                      Libertarians tend to be fanatics when it comes to utilitarianism.

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                      • #71
                        Nobody likes it when they're faced with their own hypocrisy, especially when they're trying to point out somebody elses.

                        The only time it's satisfying to be a hypocrite is when the guy you voted for is in power.

                        The thing is, for me, the ends justify the means. Trump is trying to expose the whole corrupt system. So yes, he first uses what the system built (which, we the people allowed) against itself. That's the whole plan: to get people worked up about "abuse of power" that they were previously OK with, and THEN correct it. Some of the corrections will come in time.

                        Trump has a plan, and if you listen to this video very carefully, you'll start to understand what it is. (You won't understand it all though, if you haven't read the wikileaks files - nobody who is in the dark about the wikileaks files really knows anything about what's going on in the world - they only know what the establishment allows them to know)



                        Make no mistake, he's making headway on this plan.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
                          Libertarians tend to be fanatics when it comes to utilitarianism.
                          Not really. Only when we recognize that we're in war for the existence of liberty itself. Then it's gloves off.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Taco John View Post

                            Not really. Only when we recognize that we're in war for the existence of liberty itself. Then it's gloves off.
                            Yea nobody wants to be in bernie sanders breadline.

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                            • #74
                              Bernie Sanders is in the process of being excosized. The DNC wants him destroyed at this point, and they've hired a (metaphorical, at least for now) "hit man" to pull the job off. Stay tuned...

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Taco John View Post
                                That, by the way, is the whole point. People who tell the truth about how manipulated our society is are supposed to sound crazy to people who get their news through big media conglomerates.

                                I can understand being anti-Trump. I was there once. What I can't understand is defending the status quo and its power structures despite the evidence that they're out to screw you. You guys got it worst of all. Trump would have never won if Bernie had won the nomination. You allowed the establishment to steal the nomination for Hillary, a candidate with no real base. And then you fell in line after it was stolen from you - because why?

                                Until you can answer that question with some amount of honesty, you're going to feel like you live in a world gone mad. The lies you tell yourselves are the only ones that really matter.
                                It's remarkable that you think other people are manipulated but you aren't. Your whole shtick screams of manipulation but you lack the self awareness to reaize it. It's also remarkable that you think Trump has some grand plan that benefits the country and others, when the guy's whole life has been about self interest. Not to mention that he's a corrupt thug, a fact which is supported by an endless supply of readily available information. You just need to open your eyes and see it. Which you fail to do while accusing others of being blind to the truth. And then you throw the word hypocrisy around. Lol. I'm well aware that we're all owned pawns of the 1%. But Trump isn't your champion against that. He's a champion mostly for just one person: himself. The sooner you wake up to that reality, the better.

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