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  • Originally posted by Johnykbr View Post
    Ankara is Turkey's capital?
    It is now, I should have said 'historic capital'.....and spelled it correctly.

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    • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
      Coming from the guy who argued that the Orthodox St Nicholas was a Turk, this is beyond rich.

      Best go back to your strong suit of arguing the Constitutionality of Sex Defined Bathrooms.
      Hardy har har. Yeah, you're right. I should have argued he was Persian.

      You pointed out an inaccuracy in point 5a of a long argument. Congrats?

      Now to answer the rest of the argument. Was St. Nicholas white? If Santa Claus is a bastardized (or mongrelized) version of several figures who may or may not have existed, why is depicting him as black or as a penguin (or as anything different from what he has been for only about the last 100 years) so, so wrong?

      Of course again, actually answering questions is not your MO.

      Also, your understanding of the point I was making in the bathroom thread was way, way off, as usual. First off, there is no "right to privacy", but if anyone challenges laws like these, the equal treatment laws we have in place (supported by the Constitution) will be the first thing referenced.

      Why do you fail so much, Beavis?

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      • Originally posted by houghtam View Post
        Hardy har har. Yeah, you're right. I should have argued he was Persian.

        You pointed out an inaccuracy in point 5a of a long argument. Congrats?

        Now to answer the rest of the argument. Was St. Nicholas white? If Santa Claus is a bastardized (or mongrelized) version of several figures who may or may not have existed, why is depicting him as black or as a penguin (or as anything different from what he has been for only about the last 100 years) so, so wrong?

        Of course again, actually answering questions is not your MO.

        Also, your understanding of the point I was making in the bathroom thread was way, way off, as usual. First off, there is no "right to privacy", but if anyone challenges laws like these, the equal treatment laws we have in place (supported by the Constitution) will be the first thing referenced.

        Why do you fail so much, Beavis?
        Notice when I entered the conversation...

        Just because I saw no point in it up until I saw someone post some truly epic fail in naming St Nicholas a Turk does nothing to diminish the epic fail.

        Believe Santa Claus is a wolverine if you want. Does it matter? Not to me. But you were the one talking about a literal historic figure... the Greek Orthodox St. Nicholas. And you said he was Turk.

        Even better, you said it in the context of mocking people who supposedly didn't understand his history as well as you.

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        • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
          Notice when I entered the conversation...

          Just because I saw no point in it up until I saw someone post some truly epic fail in naming St Nicholas a Turk does nothing to diminish the epic fail.

          Believe Santa Claus is a wolverine if you want. Does it matter? Not to me. But you were the one talking about a literal historic figure... the Greek Orthodox St. Nicholas. And you said he was Turk.

          Even better, you said it in the context of mocking people who supposedly didn't understand his history as well as you.
          So (of course) the point still stands.

          Thanks for reinforcing it.

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          • Originally posted by houghtam View Post
            Txtebow's Xmas was ruined because he found out Santa was a swarthy Turk.

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            • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_N...ce_2009_121-16



              St Nick was Greek. That much is fairly inarguable. Whether there was different ethnicity in the general region at the time could be argued. But that ethnicity being Turk of all things is impossible.

              They didn't arrive in that region until many centuries later in the middle ages.
              He was Greek speaking because of the regions cultural heritage, but being of Greek ethnic origins is not so easy to determine.

              It has been the east/west 'crossroads' for eons, he could have been an A-rab.

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              • Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                He was Greek speaking because of the regions cultural heritage, but being of Greek ethnic origins is not so easy to determine.

                It has been the east/west 'crossroads' for eons, he could have been an A-rab.
                Or Persian, or... *gasp* even a Turk!

                If there were white people in the Americas (thousands of miles, separated by water) before even Columbus got there, you'd be dense to not believe there's a good chance that a nomadic trading people (from a region even closer than the Americas are to Europe and not separated by an ocean) wouldn't have intermingled with the Indo-European, Greek, Persian and other ethnicities in that area, particularly considering it lie along one of the world's most prolific trade routes.

                But keep bangin' that drum, Beavis!

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                • Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                  He was Greek speaking because of the regions cultural heritage, but being of Greek ethnic origins is not so easy to determine.

                  It has been the east/west 'crossroads' for eons, he could have been an A-rab.
                  Pure Greek ethnicity is of course impossible to determine. I mean we have sitting US Senators who can't even really tell you whether they're white or not.

                  But from what we know, predominately Greek ancestry for St Nicholas is the most likely scenario. The one thing we can say for certain though is that Hough's repeated Turkish Santa mocking was a definite facepalmer.

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                  • Originally posted by DenverBrit View Post
                    He was Greek speaking because of the regions cultural heritage, but being of Greek ethnic origins is not so easy to determine.

                    It has been the east/west 'crossroads' for eons, he could have been an A-rab.
                    Greek was the primary language because of trade and the Byzantine Empire. It replaced Latin as the language to be spoken if you wanted to do business or learn during that era.

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                    • Beavis' contribution to this thread is the equivalent of when Homer was dreaming he was John Elway, he scored a touchdown and looked up and the score was 55-7.

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                      • Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                        Beavis' contribution to this thread is the equivalent of when Homer was dreaming he was John Elway, he scored a touchdown and looked up and the score was 55-7.

                        Sometimes you've gotta take the only thing worth getting out of a thread otherwise arguing the genetics of a fictional character.

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                        • Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                          Beavis' contribution to this thread is the equivalent of when Homer was dreaming he was John Elway, he scored a touchdown and looked up and the score was 55-7.

                          One notices more posts from you about the color of a fictional character than the millions who have lost insurance and the NSA with expanded powers or spying on people. I guess as long as they don't spy just on homosexuals or minorities and don't profile it is ok. Amazing the 180 that happens in such a short period of time after the results of elections.

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                          • Originally posted by barryr View Post
                            One notices more posts from you about the color of a fictional character than the millions who have lost insurance and the NSA with expanded powers or spying on people. I guess as long as they don't spy just on homosexuals or minorities and don't profile it is ok. Amazing the 180 that happens in such a short period of time after the results of elections.
                            As abhorrent as spying is (and drone warfare, and keeping Guantanamo open, and warfare in general), I've stated many times that the most important thing to me is the right to vote. Considering the implications of the VRA decisions and the fact that racism and discrimination are still very real, it should be of no surprise that those posts are what you notice most about me. Not comparing myself to him, but I'm sure someone like Frederick Douglass had views on economic policy and national security (such as it would have been at the time). They don't really talk about that much in history books, though, do they?

                            And as far as the "millions losing insurance"? People losing junk insurance is just another step in the direction we should be going (and ultimately will end up with), which is single payer.

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                            • Originally posted by barryr View Post
                              One notices more posts from you about the color of a fictional character than the millions who have lost insurance and the NSA with expanded powers or spying on people. I guess as long as they don't spy just on homosexuals or minorities and don't profile it is ok. Amazing the 180 that happens in such a short period of time after the results of elections.
                              No comment about Txtebow's epic race obsession??

                              He's not a 'Liberal' so it's ok?

                              See how that works?

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