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    Crisis over

    Washington is Wrong Once Again – Kurds Join Assad to Defend Syria

    By Ron Paul


    October 15, 2019 "Information Clearing House" -When President Trump Tweeted last week that “it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous endless wars,” adding that the US would be withdrawing from Syria, Washington went into a panic. Suddenly Republicans, Democrats, the media, the think tanks, and the war industry all discovered and quickly became experts on “the Kurds,” who we were told were an “ally” being sent to their slaughter by an ignorant President Trump.

    But it was all just another bipartisan ploy to keep the “forever war” gravy train rolling through the Beltway.

    Interventionists will do anything to prevent US troops from ever coming home, and their favorite tactic is promoting “mission creep.” As President Trump Tweeted, we were told in 2014 by President Obama that the US military would go into Syria for just 30 days to save the Yazidi minority that they claimed were threatened. Then that mission crept into “we must fight ISIS” and so the US military continued to illegally occupy and bomb Syria for five more years.


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52394.htm

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      hilarious....

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        Everyone knew this would be what they'd try. Whether it works is the actual question.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
          Everyone knew this would be what they'd try. Whether it works is the actual question.
          If this news story is true then pulling out was a good strategic move.

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              The only problem with the above scenario is the last line. It wasn't ONLY Trump and the GOP that enabled this to happen. The Democrats also have blood on their hands. The crazy US intervention in Syria happened under Obama - not Trump. Witness the Democratic reaction to Trump's withdrawal...

              The only occasion when the Dems supported Trump in Syria was when he bombed the place!

              In the final analysis - Trump had no choice but to order US troops out. The Syrians and Russians had already defeated ISIS. The US contribution was minor. The US led the Kurds on -- promised them we would support a breakaway Kurdish nation in NE Syria. But this was never a realistic option. None of the countries in the region will allow an independent Kurdish nation. It's unfortunate but this is the reality -- and it has been the reality for centuries. A Kudish state would threaten Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria -- because the Kurds are scattered throughout the region.

              Therefor, the US promises to the Kurds were a lie from the start. We used the Kurds -- like others have used them in the past. It's the long sad history of the Kurdish people. They have been pawns on the chessboard of history.

              The Kurds best move was to cut a deal with Assad -- for limited autonomy as part of a Syrian nation. This union -- long delayed by a failed US war policy -- holds the promise of stabilizing the region, at last. No thanks to the US -

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                It goes without saying -- Tulsi's analysis is right -- the US objective in Syria was not to defeat ISIS -- but the breakup of the Syrian nation into several parts, all of them fighting one another. This is also why the Israelis provided support to the Kurds. To overthrow Assad and split Syria up...

                Thanks to Russia -- the US/Israeli/Saudi plan to destroy Syria has failed. It will remain a united country.

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                  Our only interest in that country was defeating ISIS which we should have never been there in the first place. I propose we completely pull out of the entire middle east *permanently*.

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                    Originally posted by Garcia Bronco View Post

                    If this news story is true then pulling out was a good strategic move.
                    Not really. It's literally the last thing the Kurds can try. It's a foregone conclusion. But if Assad had the resources to help the Kurds much, he wouldn't be in the boat he's already in.

                    This is a desperation move. One that was predicted by many before it happened (after we decided to cut and run) But it does nothing to redeem Trump's bad decision, or especially the reckless way he's carrying it out.

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                      Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                      Not really. It's literally the last thing the Kurds can try. It's a foregone conclusion. But if Assad had the resources to help the Kurds much, he wouldn't be in the boat he's already in.

                      This is a desperation move. One that was predicted by many before it happened (after we decided to cut and run) But it does nothing to redeem Trump's bad decision, or especially the reckless way he's carrying it out.
                      I respectfully disagree. the whole reason we were in Syria at this point is to stop ISIS. Isis was created based on President Obama's foreign policy and the desire to separate Assad from rulership of Syria. We were unsuccessful.

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                        Originally posted by Garcia Bronco View Post

                        I respectfully disagree. the whole reason we were in Syria at this point is to stop ISIS. Isis was created based on President Obama's foreign policy and the desire to separate Assad from rulership of Syria. We were unsuccessful.
                        None of that really even addresses the fact that we used the Kurds as foot soldiers against ISIS to minimize our ground exposure, and now we're hurriedly hanging them out to dry. At the very least we owe them a measured, deliberate timetable. Our presence there mostly functions as a deterrent. At least when it comes to Turkey. We should give them some time to make logistical decisions about what posture they want to take without us.

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                          Originally posted by Garcia Bronco View Post

                          I respectfully disagree. the whole reason we were in Syria at this point is to stop ISIS. Isis was created based on President Obama's foreign policy and the desire to separate Assad from rulership of Syria. We were unsuccessful.
                          Correction...We WERE successful until cadet bone spurs threw all of it away and agreed to let Turkey ( and Assad, Russia, Putin, Iran , Isis) destroy our ally the Kurds so he could bring home ( to Saudi Arabia) 2000 or so troops. The kurds had control of 1/3 of Syrian territory and a potential homeland that Syria could not take back as long as we maintained that minimum investment in the area. It was tantamount to IDIOCY to remove the troops there as it negated all of our influence in the northern middle east, and likely will reconstitute ISIS .

                          Do you think that Netanyahu and the Israelis are a bit nervous about the US commitments to help them in the future if TRUMP is still POTUS. It opened a clear path from Riyadh all the way to the mediterranian that Iran can supply arms to , and exposed Israels northern flank. What about the Afghans, and the French and British , and Germans and other Nato members. What do they think?

                          And WHAT did Pence and Pompeo give Erdogan yesterday to make the announcement of the "Cease fire" ( the one that they already broke and are ignoring) so Turkey can
                          achieve their aims ( the Destruction of the kurds entirely and the elimination of them as a people) without any consequences . My bet is that Trump probably agreed to give them F35s too.

                          Why is Trump giving Putin EVERYTHING that he could possibly want in such a hurried manner? ....Probably because Trump has been told to by his master , who knows that Trump is too stupid to avoid being impeached and removed or being forced to resign himself before next year.

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                            Your post shows you do not understand the Mideast. There was never a realistic chance to establish a Kurdish state in NE Syria. The US conned the Kurds and used them -- like so many others have in the past.

                            The surrounding states will not allow the creation of a Kurdish state. The Kurds are scattered across four nations, Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. The Kurdish portion of Syria is actually small in area which means that the creation of a Kurdish state there inevitably would include large areas where Arabs are the majority population.

                            An attempt by the US to create a Kurdish state would trigger a regional war involving all of the above states - several or all of which would intervene militarily -- as Turkey has just done -- to defeat any attempt to create a Kurdish state.

                            This is the unfortunate tragedy of the Kurds -- to be a stateless people -- scattered across four other nations.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ScottXray View Post

                              Correction...We WERE successful until cadet bone spurs threw all of it away and agreed to let Turkey ( and Assad, Russia, Putin, Iran , Isis) destroy our ally the Kurds so he could bring home ( to Saudi Arabia) 2000 or so troops. The kurds had control of 1/3 of Syrian territory and a potential homeland that Syria could not take back as long as we maintained that minimum investment in the area. It was tantamount to IDIOCY to remove the troops there as it negated all of our influence in the northern middle east, and likely will reconstitute ISIS .

                              Do you think that Netanyahu and the Israelis are a bit nervous about the US commitments to help them in the future if TRUMP is still POTUS. It opened a clear path from Riyadh all the way to the mediterranian that Iran can supply arms to , and exposed Israels northern flank. What about the Afghans, and the French and British , and Germans and other Nato members. What do they think?

                              And WHAT did Pence and Pompeo give Erdogan yesterday to make the announcement of the "Cease fire" ( the one that they already broke and are ignoring) so Turkey can
                              achieve their aims ( the Destruction of the kurds entirely and the elimination of them as a people) without any consequences . My bet is that Trump probably agreed to give them F35s too.

                              Why is Trump giving Putin EVERYTHING that he could possibly want in such a hurried manner? ....Probably because Trump has been told to by his master , who knows that Trump is too stupid to avoid being impeached and removed or being forced to resign himself before next year.
                              How how many more Quagmire's do you need? We can't keep throwing lives and resources down the drain bro. I don't think it has anything to do with Putin. It has to do with our capacity to be able to manage our country. the mistake that played into Putin's hand as when we went into Syria in the first place.

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