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    Rudy Giuliani’s Ukrainian adventure

    Of all the meetings that will take place between heads of state at the United Nations in New York next week, the one between Presidents Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky (pictured), a comedian turned president of Ukraine, may be the strangest. Last month, as Ukraine’s government was trying to negotiate the release of its prisoners from Russia, it received news from Washington. The White House had frozen $250m of military assistance to Ukraine that had already been approved by Congress until further review. The administration set no criteria or time frame for the review. But a month earlier, in a telephone conversation with Mr Zelensky, then newly elected, Mr Trump said he was “convinced the new Ukrainian government would be able to quickly improve the image of Ukraine and complete the investigations of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA.”

    There were two cases Mr Trump seemed particularly interested in. The first involved the affairs of Hunter Biden, son of the candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, who sat on the board of a private Ukrainian gas firm while his father was America’s vice-president. The second involved the downfall of Paul Manafort, Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, who took a $12.7m off-the-books payment for his work for an ex-president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovich, and is now in prison. It was up to the new president to satisfy Mr Trump that he was on the right side.

    If Mr Zelensky was still in any doubt about what was expected of him, Rudy Giuliani, Mr Trump’s personal lawyer, was there to help. A few days after the telephone conversation between the two presidents, Mr Giuliani flew to Madrid to meet Mr Zelensky’s adviser, Andriy Yermak. He urged Mr Yermak to investigate the matters that were of interest to Mr Trump and held out the prospect of a state visit to America and a meeting with the president.

    That meeting in Madrid was arranged by Kurt Volker, America’s special envoy, whose efforts to help Ukraine restore its territorial integrity and sovereignty over the Donbas region were undermined by the suspension of military aid. Although the State Department insisted Mr Giuliani was merely acting in his private capacity rather than on behalf of the state, in the eyes of any reasonable person—particularly the one from Ukraine where oligarchs wield much informal power—Mr Giuliani was more important than a state official; he was Mr Trump’s consigliere.

    Fittingly, Mr Giuliani’s main source of disinformation on Ukraine was Yuriy Lutsenko, a controversial former prosecutor-general. Mr Lutsenko first tried to sabotage anti-corruption efforts by Ukrainian activists and American-backed investigators, then accused his critics of conspiring against Mr Trump. Trying to ingratiate himself with the White House, and settle his own scores, Mr Lutsenko declared that the stuff about Mr Manafort was all part of an anti-Trump conspiracy.

    Mr Lutsenko also dragged Marie Yovanovitch, an experienced American career diplomat and ambassador to Ukraine, through the mud, alleging she was acting in the interests of the Democrats. Ms Yovanovitch, who supported the anti-corruption fight in Ukraine (a fight which also targeted Mr Lutsenko) was recalled before the end of her term, despite the State Department’s statement that the claims against her were an “outright fabrication”.

    Mr Giuliani liked Mr Lutsenko’s improbable version of events, though. In May he told Fox News that he had cancelled his planned trip to Kiev, because he thought he was about to walk “into a group of people that are enemies of the president, and in some cases enemies of the United States.” One of the enemies named was Serhiy Leshchenko, a journalist, anti-corruption campaigner and member of parliament who investigated Mr Manafort.

    Mr Leshchenko had been working for Mr Zelensky’s team, advising the neophyte president on foreign affairs. But Mr Giuliani’s statement made the new president uneasy. A few days later Mr Leshchenko was told that he could not be offered a formal position in Mr Zelensky’s new administration, since this would jeopardise Ukraine’s relations with a strategic partner.

    As a result of all this, Mr Giuliani and his boss have become the subject of an investigation by the House committees on Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight. He denies wrongdoing (“I wouldn’t do an unethical thing in my life,” he told cnn). On September 9th the Democratic chairmen of the three committees sent a formal request to the White House and the State Department, instructing them to turn over the documents related to what look like attempts to coerce the Ukrainian government into conducting politically motivated investigations. If Mr Trump really had pressured Ukraine to serve the ends of his re-election campaign, “this would represent a staggering abuse of power, a boon to Moscow, and a betrayal of the public trust”, the letter says.

    Less than a week after the launch of the investigation, the White House unfroze the funds for military assistance without explaining the hold-up. “There were a lot of senior Republicans who were asking wtf,” one former official says. But the damage has been done. Mr Giuliani’s adventures in Ukrainian politics undermined the American government’s efforts to bolster its ally militarily and subverted its anti-corruption message. Vladimir Putin has long maintained that he is no worse than his American “partners”—they just hide things better. Mr Giuliani and Mr Trump are in danger of proving him right.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...e90_story.html

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    • #3
      Guiliani is a Mafia consigliere.

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      • #4
        This report is total garbage --- another hit piece on Trump by a pro war pro Zionist newspaper.

        It's just another example of the sort of fake news or propaganda that's been so pervasive the last few years.

        Trump was right to put a hold on arms deliveries to Ukraine. The last thing we need is a new Ukrainian attack on the eastern provinces. In the US press those attacks have been portrayed as Ukraine defending itself - -when in fact they are blatant aggression against the Russian majority eastern provinces because those two provinces insist on autonomy.

        We need peace in Ukraine -- not more war. The Washington Post has NEVER acknowledged that this shyte storm started in 2014 with a US-backed coup intended for one purpose -- not to help the people of Ukraine -- but to destabilize a vital region on Russia's border.

        The Post will never speak the truth because the truth today is viewed as unpatriotic. Liberals/Democrats/necons and even many Republicans want continuing conflict and confrontation -- to keep the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ flowing to the military contractors -- the US war machine. Which runs America today -- and has for many years.

        Every move by Trump or anyone else in Washington to reverse this disastrous legacy of the last 60 years -- has my support.

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        • #5
          der gaffo, you're just a sad husk.

          All you do any more is suck Putin's cock and fantasize about exterminating da Jooz.

          That's all that's left of you.

          A worthless hollow shell.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post

            This report is total garbage --- another hit piece on Trump by a pro war pro Zionist newspaper.

            It's just another example of the sort of fake news or propaganda that's been so pervasive the last few years.

            Trump was right to put a hold on arms deliveries to Ukraine. The last thing we need is a new Ukrainian attack on the eastern provinces. In the US press those attacks have been portrayed as Ukraine defending itself - -when in fact they are blatant aggression against the Russian majority eastern provinces because those two provinces insist on autonomy.

            We need peace in Ukraine -- not more war. The Washington Post has NEVER acknowledged that this shyte storm started in 2014 with a US-backed coup intended for one purpose -- not to help the people of Ukraine -- but to destabilize a vital region on Russia's border.

            The Post will never speak the truth because the truth today is viewed as unpatriotic. Liberals/Democrats/necons and even many Republicans want continuing conflict and confrontation -- to keep the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ flowing to the military contractors -- the US war machine. Which runs America today -- and has for many years.

            Every move by Trump or anyone else in Washington to reverse this disastrous legacy of the last 60 years -- has my support.
            I suppose you don't think Russia was to blame for invading Georgia either. And they still occupy 20% of that country. Or taking over Crimea by military force. GTFO.

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            • #7
              I wonder if Der Traitor Gaffo cried when John Bolton received his pink slip?

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              • #8
                The transcript was utterly damning. If Trump thought this was exculpatory, I can hardly wait to see the whistleblower details.

                It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Old Dude View Post
                  The transcript was utterly damning. If Trump thought this was exculpatory, I can hardly wait to see the whistleblower details.

                  It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
                  Barr's DOJ has already committed another crime by refusing to forward the whistleblower's complaint to Congress per protocol.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ZONA View Post

                    I suppose you don't think Russia was to blame for invading Georgia either. And they still occupy 20% of that country. Or taking over Crimea by military force. GTFO.
                    Man, you don't pay attention. Georgia was a set up job -- another in a longline of incidents orchestrated by the US to destabilize and destroy. Heck, we've been doing similar things for 60 + years -- since the late 1940s - and you still haven't noticed

                    Our agent who did the dirty work in Georgia was Mikhail Saakashvili, president of that country at the time. He later fled the country under indictment for various criminal charges. Saakashvili ended up in Ukraine where he renounced his Georgian citizenship and became a Ukrainian. He was named governor of Odessa and held that position until he had a falling out with Ukrainian leader Poroshenko who stripped him of his Ukrainian citizenship. Saakashvili became a stateless person -- but has since returned to Ukraine -- after Poroshenko's recent electoral defeat.

                    As for the Russians, they quickly retreated back to Russia after dealing with the border problem that we staged. As for Crimea, the people there voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia. Apparently you don't believe in democracy.

                    I strongly suggest you junk your tv set - and begin reading and studying. Otherwise, you will never even begin to understand this big wide world we live in.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mhgaffney View Post

                      Man, you don't pay attention. Georgia was a set up job -- another in a longline of incidents orchestrated by the US to destabilize and destroy. Heck, we've been doing similar things for 60 + years -- since the late 1940s - and you still haven't noticed

                      Our agent who did the dirty work in Georgia was Mikhail Saakashvili, president of that country at the time. He later fled the country under indictment for various criminal charges. Saakashvili ended up in Ukraine where he renounced his Georgian citizenship and became a Ukrainian. He was named governor of Odessa and held that position until he had a falling out with Ukrainian leader Poroshenko who stripped him of his Ukrainian citizenship. Saakashvili became a stateless person -- but has since returned to Ukraine -- after Poroshenko's recent electoral defeat.

                      As for the Russians, they quickly retreated back to Russia after dealing with the border problem that we staged. As for Crimea, the people there voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia. Apparently you don't believe in democracy.

                      I strongly suggest you junk your tv set - and begin reading and studying. Otherwise, you will never even begin to understand this big wide world we live in.

                      Dude, for real? OMG, get wise. Russia went into Crimea and annexed it, straight up took it over by force. Why do you think that vote was something like 97% in favor of becoming part of Russia again? Because you would be shot if you voted the other way by Russian soldiers who were already in control of Crimea at that time. For somebody who claims to be so smart, you really do choose to bury your head when some very obvious things are staring you right in the face. There was a poll done by International Republican Institute in 2013 (only 1 year prior to Russia annexing Crimea) and oh, guess what, 77% of Crimean's wanted to stay with Ukraine, only 23% wanted to be a part of Russia. Kinda funny how that changed to 97% just a year later huh. You're lost man, figure it out.

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                      • #12
                        der gaffo sucking Putin's cock.

                        Again.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by W*GS View Post
                          der gaffo sucking Putin's cock.

                          Again.
                          It's the only way Gaffney can get close to an erection.

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                              Meet The Businessman Helping Giuliani Try To Find Dirt On Democrats In Ukraine

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                              Long before President Trump's now-famous call with Ukraine's president in July, Rudy Giuliani was regularly meeting with Ukrainian officials in pursuit of dirt against Democratic opponents.

                              He was not alone. There was a "guy" with him. In the news business we call them fixers — guides who know local people and can make introductions, set up meetings and translate interviews.

                              Lev Parnas, a businessman who says he splits his time between Florida and New York, was one of Giuliani's fixers. Parnas says he is a U.S. citizen but was born in Odessa, Ukraine, back when it was part of the Soviet Union.

                              Parnas helped Giuliani search for evidence to promote a theory of corruption in Ukraine by Joe Biden, who could become Trump's Democratic rival in the 2020 election. Biden's son Hunter, who was on the board of a gas company in Ukraine, also was a focus.

                              That corruption theory isn't holding up under scrutiny, as NPR's Lucian Kim has reported.

                              https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/76502...MPgTrQeD5jVhkc

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