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  • Ben Shapiro: If you think Andrew Neil is a leftist, you're probably a fascist.

    Seriously, American right wingers are ****ed in the head, and the rest of the world sees it very clearly.



    Andrew Neil's politics, in case you think he's on the left like Shapiro does:

    War in Afghanistan
    Neil was a vocal and enthusiastic proponent of British military involvement in Afghanistan, deriding those who opposed the war as "wimps with no will to fight", while labelling The Guardian as The Daily Terrorist and the New Statesman as the New Taliban for publishing dissenting opinions about the wisdom of British military involvement.[46][47] For questioning whether "Bush and Blair are leading us deeper and deeper into a quagmire", Neil ridiculed Daily Mail columnist Stephen Glover, calling him "woolly, wimpy" and "juvenile".[46] He compared Tony Blair to Winston Churchill and Osama bin Laden to Adolf Hitler, while describing the United States invasion of Afghanistan as a "calibrated response" and a "patient, precise and successful deployment of US military power".[46][48]

    War in Iraq
    Neil was an early advocate of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, describing the case for war and regime change advanced by Tony Blair and George W. Bush as "convincing" and "masterful".[48] In 2002, Neil said that Iraq had "embarked on a worldwide shopping spree to buy the technology and material needed to construct weapons of mass destruction - and the missile systems needed to deliver them across great distances", and that "the suburbs of Baghdad are now dotted with secret installations, often posing as hospitals or schools, developing missile fuel, bodies and guidance systems, chemical and biological warheads and, most sinister of all, a renewed attempt to develop nuclear weapons."[48] He also claimed that Saddam Hussein would provide Al-Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction and had links to the September 11 attacks.[48][49]

    Climate change
    Neil rejects the scientific consensus on climate change, has frequently misrepresented the science of climate change on his BBC programmes, and has frequently invited non-scientists and climate change deniers to debate climate change on his BBC programmes.[50][51][52][53][54][55] In 2012, Bob Ward of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and Political Science, said that Neil had "rarely, if ever, included a climate scientist in any of its debates about global warming" on his BBC programme The Daily Politics.[56] Ward wrote that Neil lets inaccurate and misleading statements about climate change go unchallenged on The Daily Politics.[50] He has however pressed politicians who accept the consensus on climate change.[57][52]

    HIV/AIDS
    During Neil's time as editor, The Sunday Times backed a campaign to prove that HIV was not a cause of AIDS.[18][58][59][60] In 1990, The Sunday Times serialized a book by an American conservative who rejected the scientific consensus on the causes of AIDS and argued that AIDS could not spread to heterosexuals.[59] Articles and editorials in The Sunday Times cast doubt on the scientific consensus, described HIV as a "politically correct virus" about which there was a "conspiracy of silence," disputed that AIDS was spreading in Africa, claimed that tests for HIV were invalid, described the HIV/AIDS treatment drug AZT as harmful, and characterized the WHO as an "Empire-building AIDS [organisation]."[59]

    The pseudoscientific coverage of HIV/AIDS in the Sunday Times led the scientific journal Nature to monitor the newspaper's coverage and to publish letters rebutting Sunday Times articles which the Sunday Times refused to publish.[59] In response to this, the Sunday Times published an article headlined "AIDS - why we won’t be silenced", which claimed that Nature engaged in censorship and "sinister intent".[59] In his 1996 book, Full Disclosure, Neil wrote that the HIV/AIDS denialism "deserved publication to encourage debate."[59] That same year, he wrote that the Sunday Times had been vindicated in its coverage, "The Sunday Times was one of a handful of newspapers, perhaps the most prominent, which argued that heterosexual Aids was a myth. The figures are now in and this newspaper stands totally vindicated... The history of Aids is one of the great scandals of our time. I do not blame doctors and the Aids lobby for warning that everybody might be at risk in the early days, when ignorance was rife and reliable evidence scant." He criticized the "AIDS establishment" and said "Aids had become an industry, a job-creation scheme for the caring classes."[61]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Neil

  • #2
    Don’t know him but I’ve listened to Ben Shapiro before and he makes some good points but also has some religious perspectives I find highly perplexing.

    Sam Harris is the man!

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    • #3
      Still telling yourself wars are a left/right thing, eh?

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      • #4
        His latest podcast on tariffs makes is pretty spot on. His voice is difficult to listen for long periods of time.

        https://www.podcastone.com/the-ben-shapiro-show

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        • #5
          Shapiro really beclowned himself here though. He's obviously too used to his boilerplate and had no idea about who his interviewer was, or what the Atlantic cultural divide might do to him.

          This could impact how moderates see him for some time to come.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
            Still telling yourself wars are a left/right thing, eh?
            They mostly are in America and the rest of the developed world, because they are almost entirely driven by corporate interests and profit motivations (ie the military-industrial complex). Of course this realization also requires you to realize that much of the Democratic party is solidly on the right as well (the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, etc), and I know that obvious fact continues to elude you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

              They mostly are in America and the rest of the developed world, because they are almost entirely driven by corporate interests and profit motivations (ie the military-industrial complex). Of course this realization also requires you to realize that much of the Democratic party is solidly on the right as well (the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, etc), and I know that obvious fact continues to elude you.
              So your criticism is that he can't call Neil leftist because there's really no such thing as a leftist? Not in the wild, anyway. : )

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                So your criticism is that he can't call Neil leftist because there's really no such thing as a leftist? Not in the wild, anyway. : )
                No, Bernie and other progressives are mildly on the left. The corporatocracy is clearly a right wing government though, and both parties are in on it. With Republicans it’s total control. With Democrats it’s ceased to be total control, but it’s still majority control. This isn’t even debatable if you have even the vaguest of notion of what the right/left axis actually represents. The left in this country would need genuine Marxists (authoritarian left) and/or anarchists (libertarian left) to match the extreme right wing politicians (corpo-capitalist authoritarian scum) infesting our government. I see no such extremists on the left in this country, only moderates who are trying to stop the worst excesses of unchecked capitalism.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Agamemnon View Post

                  No, Bernie and other progressives are mildly on the left. The corporatocracy is clearly a right wing government though
                  By what measure? It seems that, instead of digging into the actual ideologies, you judge the alignments of the present purely by comparing them to those of the past.

                  I can assure you, in the purer sense, there's nothing Conservative (of Classical Liberalism) about the cozy corporate-government relationships you're complaining about.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                    By what measure? It seems that, instead of digging into the actual ideologies, you judge the alignments of the present purely by comparing them to those of the past.

                    I can assure you, in the purer sense, there's nothing Conservative (of Classical Liberalism) about the cozy corporate-government relationships you're complaining about.
                    Right wing extremism: unregulated capitalism and exploitation of workers with no social programs whatsoever.

                    Left wing extremism: communism or anarchism with no private property outside of what you can carry on your person.

                    Your preferences are pretty close to the right wing extreme, though, to your credit, I’ve never seen you argue for putting an end to all social programs. Likewise, our government is far closer to the right wing extreme than the left wing extreme. Even the people in our government who are actually on the left aren’t arguing for a complete end to capitalism. Far from it, in fact. When we start having communists and anarchists having the same political power as the hardcore capitalists, you can start making the argument our government isn’t squarely on the right.

                    As far as the notion that what we’re seeing now in the form of corporatocracy, and how it’s a perversion of capitalist ideals, all I can say is that it’s the inevitable reality of treating greed as a virtue. That’s what capitalism promotes ulimately: the notion that greed is good.

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