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  • Affluent, white residents of south Baton Rouge propose seceding from city’s poor, black north area

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/0...orthern-areas/

    "The predominantly white and wealthy residents of the southern area of Baton Rouge have proposed seceding from the city proper and incorporating into a new one to be called “St. George.”

    The movement began as an effort to create a new school district, but after the state legislature repeatedly mothballed its proposals — claiming that they could not approve an independent school district that was unaffiliated with a city — organizers shifted their energies to the creation of “St. George.”

    The new city would be the fifth largest in the state, with over 107,000 residents, and would include two of the largest tax revenue bases in the state: Perkins Rowe and the Mall of Louisiana. A study by the Baton Rouge Area Chamber concluded that Baton Rouge residents “will be disproportionately paying taxes to the proposed municipality,” given city governance’s reliance on sales tax revenues."


    Are there any LOCALS on the mane who can comment on this?

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    I lived for a year within walking distance of Perkins Rowe and a 5 minute drive from the Mall of LA.

    If you want to learn about the socioeconomic difficulties in Baton Rouge (as well as many other cities in that region), I suggest you start with Katrina. Forced migration often causes difficulties when large segments of the population are required to mix.

    As far as the area itself, I do think it's a bit ridiculous to incorporate a new city, essentially annexing the two largest sources of sales and business tax revenue in the area. I can guarantee you that Perkins Rowe and the Mall of LA would not have been approved by the city of Baton Rouge had they thought that just a few years later they would lose out on those revenues to a bunch of people wanting to secede.

    The article (Huffington Post did this as well and received a scathing email from me) is trying to put a white vs. black spin on it where there isn't really one...that area is about as diverse an area as I've ever lived in. Rather, this is about trying to co-opt tens of millions of dollars from a parish and a city in response to not being able to create a school district that the city didn't have jurisdiction over. Doing this would not only create a larger financial divide between the citizens, it would also turn the city of Baton Rouge into a smoking crater.

    Hypothetically speaking (considering I've never been to Denver), imagine how upset Denver residents would be if people wanting to incorporate a new city called "Mile High", which just happened to encompass Mile High, the Pepsi Center and Coors Field. Now "Mile High" gets all that tax revenue, and Denver residents get to pay for it all.

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    • #3
      uh oh. multi-culturalists unite!

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      • #4
        With real school choice, none of this would be an issue.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
          With real school choice, none of this would be an issue.
          Although a much better choice than just blowing things up, starting over, taking your ball and going home, etc., there is a whole new slew of issues school "choice" imposes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by houghtam View Post
            Although a much better choice than just blowing things up, starting over, taking your ball and going home, etc., there is a whole new slew of issues school "choice" imposes.
            The transition would definitely get ugly for some districts. But mostly for those districts where things really need to get ugly.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
              The transition would definitely get ugly for some districts. But mostly for those districts where things really need to get ugly.
              Transition? The final product of school "choice" isn't educational utopia, nor has it been proven to be necessarily "better" than the way the current system works in most places. And that is before you factor in all of the other problems it creates.

              Regardless, the more I look at this, particularly the map of the proposed new incorporation, the more I think it has very little to do with schools at all and more of a money grab. Not only have they cordoned off Mall of LA and Perkins, but basically EVERY other major retail zone in the area that isn't an LSU satellite.

              Considering that there is really nowhere else for people to go, this won't solve or even address any race issues (which is why it was stupid for the articles to phrase it as such).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                Transition? The final product of school "choice" isn't educational utopia, nor has it been proven to be necessarily "better" than the way the current system works in most places. And that is before you factor in all of the other problems it creates.
                Didn't say it was Utopia. But you couldn't design a system worse than "Here's your teacher, kid. Hope you like her, cuz she's Tenured."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                  Didn't say it was Utopia. But you couldn't design a system worse than "Here's your teacher, kid. Hope you like her, cuz she's Tenured."


                  Teacher tenure?

                  My four year old has a better understand of the big picture than you do, apparently.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by houghtam View Post


                    Teacher tenure?

                    My four year old has a better understand of the big picture than you do, apparently.
                    It's not technically the "tenure" so much as the go-with-the-flow seniority-first job-entitlement-for-life culture it generally represents.

                    http://schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.co...year-laid-off/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                      It's not technically the "tenure" so much as the go-with-the-flow seniority-first job-entitlement-for-life culture it generally represents.

                      http://schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.co...year-laid-off/
                      What was your point in posting this link?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                        What was your point in posting this link?
                        That teacher quality is quite possibly the last priority in a large number of school systems?

                        http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/96349689.html

                        Plenty more where that came from.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                          That teacher quality is quite possibly the last priority in a large number of school systems?

                          http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/96349689.html

                          Plenty more where that came from.
                          So where's the conservative "it's just good business weeding out those who make the most money" mantra?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by houghtam View Post
                            So where's the conservative "it's just good business weeding out those who make the most money" mantra?
                            Where's the "We spend more money than anyone and still have lackluster results to show for it, so let's blow up the system" Proggie response?

                            Anyway. You take your car to the best mechanic you can find. You try to find the best doctor available.

                            Why only in public education is the story "This is your teacher. You get what you get."

                            If families had choice in education, many ****ty teachers would have empty classrooms. And districts would have no choice but to let them go. The system is anti-competitive to its core, and makes no sense. We spend boatloads of cash on it. And it doesn't work.

                            But I guess I'm just wasting my breath on the more stodgy education-establishment conservatives.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post
                              Where's the "We spend more money than anyone and still have lackluster results to show for it, so let's blow up the system" Proggie response?

                              Anyway. You take your car to the best mechanic you can find. You try to find the best doctor available.

                              Why only in public education is the story "This is your teacher. You get what you get."

                              If families had choice in education, many ****ty teachers would have empty classrooms. And districts would have no choice but to let them go. The system is anti-competitive to its core, and makes no sense. We spend boatloads of cash on it. And it doesn't work.

                              But I guess I'm just wasting my breath on the more stodgy education-establishment conservatives.
                              This "****ty teacher" crap is tiring. For every "this is your teacher, you get what you get", there's "here are your students! you get what you get!"

                              In my experience, the people who complain the most about teachers are the ****tiest parents.

                              But yeah, you're wasting your breath, because not only is our public education system not going anywhere, it's not going to get any better using conservative ideas like school "choice", which ultimately (and again, in my experience) don't change the status quo. Then the municipality (usually led by conservatives) says "welp! that didn't work either, but charter schools..." all the while not factoring in the distant, uninvolved parents or the socioeconomic issues which cause poor performance. Nope, it's always the teachers' fault.

                              Then of course, when you follow the money, it goes right back to the legislators or their friends and relatives. It's happening in Detroit at this very moment.

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