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  • Publisher of "The American Conservative" favors higher min wage in CA

    Conservative Leads Effort to Raise Minimum Wage in California

    Mr. Unz argues that significantly raising the minimum wage would help curb government spending on social services, strengthen the economy and make more jobs attractive to American-born workers.

    “There are so many very low-wage workers, and we pay for huge social welfare programs for them,” he said in an interview. “This would save something on the order of tens of billions of dollars. Doesn’t it make more sense for employers to pay their workers than the government?”
    He gets why this is wrong:

    Last edited by W*GS; 11-25-2013, 09:22 PM.

  • #2
    Why don't you start a business with the goal of providing a living wage to unskilled employees who would otherwise make minimum wage? Put your money where your mouth is and show these greedy business owners how utopia works. Risk your personal capital and/or borrow money to compete with other businesses with no guarantee for anything but taxes, regulations, and liability. Pay your employees enough wages to comfortably provide for their families in sickness and health. Give them 6 weeks of annual paid vacation and ACA bronze level health insurance. The purpose of running a business in utopia is to provide social justice. Lead by example so these greedy capitalists can see the light.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
      Why don't you start a business with the goal of providing a living wage to unskilled employees who would otherwise make minimum wage? Put your money where your mouth is and show these greedy business owners how utopia works. Risk your personal capital and/or borrow money to compete with other businesses with no guarantee for anything but taxes, regulations, and liability. Pay your employees enough wages to comfortably provide for their families in sickness and health. Give them 6 weeks of annual paid vacation and ACA bronze level health insurance. The purpose of running a business in utopia is to provide social justice. Lead by example so these greedy capitalists can see the light.
      Gotta love the hypocrisy of complaining about taxes while defending one of the biggest abusers of public funds in the history of the world.

      It's like some sort of economic Stockholm syndrome.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
        Gotta love the hypocrisy of complaining about taxes while defending one of the biggest abusers of public funds in the history of the world.

        It's like some sort of economic Stockholm syndrome.
        Who's complaining? There is no guarantee of making a profit. Paying taxes is guaranteed. Simple fact.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
          Who's complaining? There is no guarantee of making a profit. Paying taxes is guaranteed. Simple fact.
          So, because profit is not guaranteed you have no problem with your tax dollars being used to pad Wal-Mart's bottom line?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
            So, because profit is not guaranteed you have no problem with your tax dollars being used to pad Wal-Mart's bottom line?
            Show the world how it is done. Start a business with the goal of providing for your workers. Put Wal Mart out of business by the sheer fact that nobody will work slave wages when Utopia Mart is hiring.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
              Show the world how it is done. Start a business with the goal of providing for your workers. Put Wal Mart out of business by the sheer fact that nobody will work slave wages when Utopia Mart is hiring.
              And here flowith the B.S. Answer the question.

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              • #8
                What's stopping you from correcting the great injustice of WalMart slave labor by paying people a living wage?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
                  What's stopping you from correcting the great injustice of WalMart slave labor by paying people a living wage?
                  Not man enough to answer a simple question I see.

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                  • #10
                    Meh govt would raise min wage, they would raise prices, then govt would still spend just as much on entitlements. I at the notion a higher min wage would lead to less welfare. The liberals need the poor dependant on them to control their vote.

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                    • #11
                      Min wage goes up, so prices do also, and the poor people still have the same amount of money.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
                        Meh govt would raise min wage, they would raise prices, then govt would still spend just as much on entitlements. I at the notion a higher min wage would lead to less welfare. The liberals need the poor dependant on them to control their vote.
                        The best part is, the poor sabotage themselves shopping and working at Wal-Mart.

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                        • #13
                          As for the idiocy of cutlet Dr. Broncenstein who seem to think it's impossible for a business to operate successfully without abusing its employees and being subsidized with tax dollars, once again reality is not on their side:

                          "Consider Costco and Wal-Mart’s Sam’s Club, which compete fiercely on low-price merchandise. Among warehouse retailers, Costco—with 338 stores and 67,600 full-time employees in the United States—is number one, accounting for about 50% of the market. Sam’s Club—with 551 stores and 110,200 employees in the United States—is number two, with about 40% of the market.

                          Though the businesses are direct competitors and quite similar overall, a remarkable disparity shows up in their wage and benefits structures. The average wage at Costco is $17 an hour. Wal-Mart does not break out the pay of its Sam’s Club workers, but a full-time worker at Wal-Mart makes $10.11 an hour on average, and a variety of sources suggest that Sam’s Club’s pay scale is similar to Wal-Mart’s. A 2005 New York Times article by Steven Greenhouse reported that at $17 an hour, Costco’s average pay is 72% higher than Sam’s Club’s ($9.86 an hour). Interviews that a colleague and I conducted with a dozen Sam’s Club employees in San Francisco and Denver put the average hourly wage at about $10. And a 2004 BusinessWeek article by Stanley Holmes and Wendy Zellner estimated Sam’s Club’s average hourly wage at $11.52.

                          On the benefits side, 82% of Costco employees have health-insurance coverage, compared with less than half at Wal-Mart. And Costco workers pay just 8% of their health premiums, whereas Wal-Mart workers pay 33% of theirs. Ninety-one percent of Costco’s employees are covered by retirement plans, with the company contributing an annual average of $1,330 per employee, while 64 percent of employees at Sam’s Club are covered, with the company contributing an annual average of $747 per employee.

                          ...

                          Costco’s practices are clearly more expensive, but they have an offsetting cost-containment effect: Turnover is unusually low, at 17% overall and just 6% after one year’s employment. In contrast, turnover at Wal-Mart is 44% a year, close to the industry average. In skilled and semi-skilled jobs, the fully loaded cost of replacing a worker who leaves (excluding lost productivity) is typically 1.5 to 2.5 times the worker’s annual salary."

                          The short version:

                          Costco demonstrates that you can treat your employees (even the unskilled and low skilled) like human beings and still have a cost competitive, highly profitable business without relying on public subsidy like Wal-Mart. Costco does it by focusing on employee retention to minimize turnover, which is not some liberal utopia dream, it's just good business 101.

                          http://hbr.org/2006/12/the-high-cost-of-low-wages/ar/1

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                          • #14
                            Fedaykin, I agree with your statement above wholeheartedly but it is an obvious apples to oranges comparison as stated in the article. Target vs Walmart would be better or Costco vs BJ's since they don't have Sam's Club's break down. Either way though I am quite surprised because I know several people that when they lost their jobs when the economy went south they got jobs with Wal-Mart and were earning close to 20 an hour after only a year. Apparently they lucked out.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
                              Show the world how it is done. Start a business with the goal of providing for your workers. Put Wal Mart out of business by the sheer fact that nobody will work slave wages when Utopia Mart is hiring.
                              You need to look at it from Fedaykin’s viewpoint, you don’t stop Walmart by competing with them on the open market. You can only fight them with government legislation.

                              Legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity it’s the new American Dream.

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